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Finding a Tech Job Is Still a Nightmare

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Re: Finding a Tech Job Is Still a Nightmare

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Post by hotpotamus »

dijit wrote: post #34

I feel like the industry has been actively trying to suppress tech workers wages for at least the last 15 years. I am hoping that this message coming from someone with as much Karma as I have will be a signal that I'm not trying to troll- though what I say next will definitely be controversial. The push for "everyone can code" and the large investment in coding bootcamps (especially focused on diversity to increase t…

Is there any time in history when capital has done anything other than try to suppress labor costs?

Re: Finding a Tech Job Is Still a Nightmare

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Post by hiAndrewQuinn »

saagarjha wrote: post #30
hiAndrewQuinn wrote: post #12

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Nursing seems to have a shortage basically everywhere. Especially when you factor in the difference in physical strength between men and women. I personally wouldn't want any job where I didn't feel like I was personally helping push out the Pareto frontier of civilization, though. Everything else feels somehow short-sighted to me.

On the contrary, not having people working on the structure needed to support this kind of effort seems to be more short-sighted.

Now that just doesn't ring true. Uncountable millennia passed where virtually everyone had to work on "the structure" and we didn't get anywhere interesting. The nurses of today would have been the shamanic healers of yesteraeon, but the vast difference in their abilities to actually deliver cure come entirely from the work of countless researchers and technologists.

Re: Finding a Tech Job Is Still a Nightmare

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Post by Eddy_Viscosity2 »

hotpotamus wrote: post #41
dijit wrote: post #34

I feel like the industry has been actively trying to suppress tech workers wages for at least the last 15 years. I am hoping that this message coming from someone with as much Karma as I have will be a signal that I'm not trying to troll- though what I say next will definitely be controversial. The push for "everyone can code" and the large investment in coding bootcamps (especially focused on diversity to increase t…

Is there any time in history when capital has done anything other than try to suppress labor costs?

Its different this time though because now they are trying to suppress my wages.

Re: Finding a Tech Job Is Still a Nightmare

#44

Post by hotpotamus »

Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #43
hotpotamus wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there any time in history when capital has done anything other than try to suppress labor costs?

Its different this time though because now they are trying to suppress my wages.

I suppose it is quite a kick in the pants to find out that you aren't so special that your bosses are just thrilled to pay you half a million a year to create CRUD apps.

Re: Finding a Tech Job Is Still a Nightmare

#46

Post by crowbahr »

hotpotamus wrote: post #44
Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its different this time though because now they are trying to suppress my wages.

I suppose it is quite a kick in the pants to find out that you aren't so special that your bosses are just thrilled to pay you half a million a year to create CRUD apps.

_All_ apps are CRUD apps.

Re: Finding a Tech Job Is Still a Nightmare

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Post by crowbahr »

dijit wrote: post #34

I feel like the industry has been actively trying to suppress tech workers wages for at least the last 15 years. I am hoping that this message coming from someone with as much Karma as I have will be a signal that I'm not trying to troll- though what I say next will definitely be controversial. The push for "everyone can code" and the large investment in coding bootcamps (especially focused on diversity to increase t…

It doesn't seem like there are enough experienced software engineers, at least in certain fields. Native mobile seems to be a tight market.

Getting your foot in the door is hard though. Nobody wants to hire a junior.

Re: Finding a Tech Job Is Still a Nightmare

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Post by meiraleal »

mnk47 wrote: post #40
meiraleal wrote: post #36

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> which might be more desperate than you and gladly work for peanuts, 3 days in the office. Yeah, 3 days in the office is impossible to beat, they most be really desperate! /s Now talking seriously, Software Engineering is a great career, probably the best out there. You don't need to work for anybody to make money if the big problem is the job market. You can literally create your job with a few months work. Now is…

Is it really as easy as "grit and discipline"? I find it hard to believe. Everything I've read about consulting work, indie gamedev, and one-man-SaaS apps has a similar message: that previous experience and luck are huge factors, and there's a lot of financial risk involved. Small businesses fail all the time for reasons other than lack of grit and discipline.

Previous experience is grit and discipline. The amount of it will have a considerable impact on anybody's success. Luck will help that extra bit that only people doing things will get.

Re: Finding a Tech Job Is Still a Nightmare

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Post by ericfrazier »

meiraleal wrote: post #36
sph wrote: post #21

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> I wonder what the biggest hindrances are. Three-tiered interview system, flaky interviewers, flaky candidates, insane job requirements for mundane positions, useless recruiters, fake job ads, "hybrid" work? It's a bloody mess and it has always been. My best interview was in 2006, at my first junior position, when the guy just asked my experience in Linux, what does "ifconfig" do, what languages I know, and I got a…

> which might be more desperate than you and gladly work for peanuts, 3 days in the office. Yeah, 3 days in the office is impossible to beat, they most be really desperate! /s Now talking seriously, Software Engineering is a great career, probably the best out there. You don't need to work for anybody to make money if the big problem is the job market. You can literally create your job with a few months work. Now is…

"grit and discipline" and an idea. You have to come up with something worth building based on if enough people will pay you for what you build. That's the hard part. Every programmer has "grit and discipline" in spades.

Re: Finding a Tech Job Is Still a Nightmare

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Post by meiraleal »

crowbahr wrote: post #46
hotpotamus wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suppose it is quite a kick in the pants to find out that you aren't so special that your bosses are just thrilled to pay you half a million a year to create CRUD apps.

_All_ apps are CRUD apps.

Although I agree with the thought, not all apps are CRUD as there are many apps that are -R-- only.
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