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Tails is a portable OS that protects against surveillance and censorship

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Re: Tails is a portable OS that protects against surveillance and censorship

#51
I’d like to highlight the update process . I had a 2-3 year old installation and updated using the in-app updater. Update was a breeze and persistent storage was saved.

I recently had to dust off tails to do some dark web research on a data breach.

It’s a great “prophylactic” to protect your assets from possible malware while doing research.

Re: Tails is a portable OS that protects against surveillance and censorship

#52

Love Tails, but I haven't used it in ten years. I have had Tails and Qubes disposable VMs on my mind though. I switched off of Qubes last year to my own Alpine chroot with a hand crafted kernel and initrd that lives only in memory. I find turning off the computer when I'm finished and having it forget everything to be a very peaceful way to compute. I owe the internet a write up. I feel like ramfs for root filesystem…

Same here. Dont understand why not more ppl switched to alpine on the desktop. It is my daily driver. Plus LXD for stuff I must do (typically spawn ubuntu, etc.)

my whole PDE (Personal Developer Environment) is within a container. Need python? Shell into (via dmenu) python container. All with complete neovim setup. Need a GUI? No problem. Spawn a container. My lxd profile is set up for this. Use chezmoi for heavy automated stuff.

My base alpine system always stays clean.

Re: Tails is a portable OS that protects against surveillance and censorship

#53
post #47

I've heard bad things about Tails over the last few years. What with the UK planning to pass that online safety bill, I decided to try out Whonix (which involved learning curves when it came to Linux), which I think is a better way of keeping safe online.

> I've heard bad things about Tails over the last few years. Like what?

As one of the comments mentioned below, easy for someone to get your IP with an attack on the Tor browser. (Which was actually utilized by law enforcement to catch somebody iirc.)

Anecdotal evidence, but I've heard numerous complaints from other users about telemetry settings being enabled in the browser and locked.

But worst of all, it uses GNOME.

Re: Tails is a portable OS that protects against surveillance and censorship

#55
post #52

Love Tails, but I haven't used it in ten years. I have had Tails and Qubes disposable VMs on my mind though. I switched off of Qubes last year to my own Alpine chroot with a hand crafted kernel and initrd that lives only in memory. I find turning off the computer when I'm finished and having it forget everything to be a very peaceful way to compute. I owe the internet a write up. I feel like ramfs for root filesystem…

Same here. Dont understand why not more ppl switched to alpine on the desktop. It is my daily driver. Plus LXD for stuff I must do (typically spawn ubuntu, etc.) my whole PDE (Personal Developer Environment) is within a container. Need python? Shell into (via dmenu) python container. All with complete neovim setup. Need a GUI? No problem. Spawn a container. My lxd profile is set up for this. Use chezmoi for heavy aut…

By any chance can you share how you do this practically?

Re: Tails is a portable OS that protects against surveillance and censorship

#56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All known law enforcement attacks against Tor have involved some kind of exploit (e.g., in Tor Browser) that creates a non-Tor connection to collect the user's IP. Tails does not protect against this. Whonix provides much stronger protection against practical, real-world attacks, since the entire operating system is forced through a Tor connection.

Tails has the entire OS as Tor connections only, an escape from the Tor browser would still be stuck in a Tor only OS. What information do you have to the contrary?

I mean yes and no.

Assuming there was an exploit that broke out of the Firefox sand box you are correct that any connection is via tor.

Though tails isn't 100% sure, you could chain a Firefox cve + user land to root and then turn off the to routing rules.

Re: Tails is a portable OS that protects against surveillance and censorship

#57
If I were wanting do do secure tor browsing, I would use a liveUSB of ubuntu, running virtualbox, running vmware, running tor. On the host ubuntu, I would run a 2nd instance of virtualbox, running vmware, running Chrome.

Networking will be set up so the Chrome inner VM can ssh to the tor VM. The tor VM can access only some whitelisted tor nodes.

Now an adversary that uses a Chrome exploit needs to break out of Windows and 2 layers of VM's before they get to my host. Breaking out of a VM is fairly doable, but breaking out of two will require lots of zero-days chained together (expensive).

Same if they find an exploit in tor.

Re: Tails is a portable OS that protects against surveillance and censorship

#58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a Tor client. Bypassing censorship is one of Tor's design goals.

If you get canceled and ISPs refuse to give you service Tor is not able to somehow bypass that censorship. If the server your hidden service is hosted on is taken away in a raid. Tor doesn't help you there. Providing limited protection from being deanonymized doesn't mean that you can no longer be censored.

Obviously! Assassination or imprisonment could also be considered censorship and tor or tails won't help. There are always edge cases. They are pretty explicit about their threat model and go into great lengths explaining it.

https://tails.net/doc/about/warnings/index.en.html

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