I lost trust with Chromium back when v70 they removed chrome://net-internals/#sockets
It allows you to live debug what traffic has been made outside devtool. e.g. account sync, tracking, etc.
A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team
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Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have been using Brave for about a year. Dont miss Firefox or Chrome.
I have a serious question about Brave. I would be glad to use it, but I am a bit scared of the fat that it is linked to a crypto (I didn't dive in the tokenomics, but maybe the team is driven by the money ? or other shady things ?), and also the fact that I go ads for this browser. Getting an ad for the browser make me question: what are their incentives ? Why would they invest money to attract people ? What is their…
Most likely: You will become their product that’s it. Be sold as part of their audience and then crypto-bros can invest into you and search advertisers will get you watching their ads so you will eventually invest into a token + have your local browsing history analyzed + your searches spied by their search engine (but it won’t be Google they promise, and they will keep their promise).
At the origin, Brave was supposed to be an adware that replaces the ads of the website with theirs.
Just pick your poison but all browser developers need money to live.
The only way to be sure a browser works in your best interest would be if you accept to pay, and nobody wants to do that.
See what has happened with Neeva.
Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team
#53How is jpeg xl “hostile”, it’s just a new format. Does Chrome really need to support every new image format?
Can you expand on what you mean? As it stands your questions seem in incredibly bad faith, especially considering the market share Chrome has in the browser space.
The article says Chrome sabotaged JPEG XL.
I am saying that JPEG XL is a new format, which it is; any additional format that is supported means more code, more potential for bugs, more security issues (format parsing is one of the biggest sources of security issues).
Chrome had experimental support for it and then they dropped it. They still support PNG, normal JPEG.
I agree with the arguments against the current DRM and Manifest 3 content blocking was kind of misdirected (however… look at how Safari does it, it’s essentially the same)
Also I don’t think the same argument applies for Chrome as for OSes for example. You are not really locked in. Just use a different browser. It’s just web.
Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
/More/ popovers and popups? What about just making the site slower?
If you're going to do something in protest, people have to know that you're protesting and that you want them to take an action in support of it. And if you degrade their service, they won't blame Chrome, they'll blame you.
Well, you could do both :)
"You are using a slow browser, please upgrade to Firefox for a fast experience"
Okay, perhaps that is a bit underhanded, but you get the idea.
Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team
#55The problem is there are almost 0 alternatives beyond Firefox so if you don’t like their UX you’re stuck. All the “new” browsers are just chromium skins (edge, arc, etc.) Are there any real competitors building a new browser?
What would you think the problem with Firefox' UX that keeps so many people from switching is? I think it's not UX, but pure marketing.
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
Aa long as chromium is open source and various entities are able to build and remove/modify anti-user features, i don't see a problem with alternatives being a "skin". If Google makes moves to make it difficult to modify chromium then browser maintainers will quickly migrate to other engines.
Yes, it's not a problem. For now. There are so many software projects that depend on chromium for their basic functionality, and so many users that indirectly rely on chromium. It's hard to switch to an alternative if the need arises. So when Google inevitably turns chromium into a problem, you don't have enough time to switch, no matter how badly you want to. It's time to preventatively switch to a project that's mo…
Most Chromium-forks are not interested at all (or do not have the resources, considering the tons of costs it has) into doing any core changes to fight against Google, only Vivaldi… all the others are either doing nothing or just PR bullshit.
If a feature is rolled out to 95% of users, then websites have to adapt. If you have a browser and are part of these remaining 5% you will be the one blamed by the users and by the websites. So there is no incentive to remove any hostile feature.
Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team
#57Remember the "Safari is the new IE" narrative? Just because Safari doesn't support some API doesn't make it IE, IE wasn't an inferior browser at the beginning either. What made IE the IE everyone hates was its departure from standards(?) and enforcing its own vision of the web thanks to its enormous market share. On IE's case, MS probably stagnated it to prevent competition against its desktop Apps business and on Google's case it's going to be in the name of data collection and ad business.
Chrome is the new IE.
But yeah, that's what you get when you don't know history.
Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team
#58> to explain why they should stop using #Chromium / #GoogleChrome and use #Firefox or #Epiphany as their main #web #browser Or use Brave.
Why is brave shilled so much ? I don't think I recalled seeing as many ads from a browser other than brave. Using a browser that claims to be the new savior of the internet, "security and privacy focused", while being related to a crypto and heavily marketing their product... Meh.
> while being related to a crypto
There is your answer
Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team
#59> to explain why they should stop using #Chromium / #GoogleChrome and use #Firefox or #Epiphany as their main #web #browser Or use Brave.
Are you even aware that Brave uses Chromium basically? it uses Blink engine.
Near enough everyone here knows that. Are you even aware that Chromium is open source and Brendan Eich has said Brave won't be supporting WEI?
https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1684561924191842304
Baby, bathwater, etc.
Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have been using Brave for about a year. Dont miss Firefox or Chrome.
I have a serious question about Brave. I would be glad to use it, but I am a bit scared of the fat that it is linked to a crypto (I didn't dive in the tokenomics, but maybe the team is driven by the money ? or other shady things ?), and also the fact that I go ads for this browser. Getting an ad for the browser make me question: what are their incentives ? Why would they invest money to attract people ? What is their…
The crypto element is entirely optional and can be hidden with two tickboxes. Maybe they'll start pushing it harder, at which point someone will come along and fork it, and I'll have to copy my bookmarks over to the New Thing. It's an eternal cycle.