Related, better: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/15/style/teens-social-media....
The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)
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Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)
#52You’ll find it on 4chan.
That was true maybe 10 years ago.
Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)
#53The Internet killed "monoculture". With no majority culture, by definition, it's hard to have counter culture.
Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)
#54You’ll find it on 4chan.
4chan is about as mainstream as it gets. Being edgy and racist isn't countercultural, certainly not nowadays.
> 4chan is about as mainstream as it gets.
4chan certainly isn't mainstream. Being somewhat well-trafficked != mainstream.
> Being edgy and racist isn't countercultural, certainly not nowadays.
That's just so obviously wrong, it's hard to know where to start. I mean, pretty much the entire media and business apparatus of the country spends a lot of effort loudly condemning those things. You might have the arrived at the wrong impression because those groups have the goal of achieving something close to total extermination of those things, so counter-productively give even small instances massive amounts of attention.
Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)
#55In a time where tolerance and respect for minorities is slowly becoming mainstream, you could argue that the far-right has become counterculture. The far-right is VERY prevalent on both Instagram, Twitter and other social media.
You can always say the far left and far right are not mainstream if they were they wouldn't be labelled far...
Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you are risking fingers, cutting off body parts or taking dumb risks just stop. It's not worth it. It's not cool or interesting. These are the things you regret later. You did not get hurt here works until someone does get hurt and the hammer comes down on you.
This is why people think counterculture is dead. I've hurt myself badly many times and have never regretted it, because it was fun and incredibly intellectually satisfying. I know no-one at these places that regret it, everyone accepts that that they are all working to a common goal of being awesome
Survivorship bias
Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)
#57The real counterculture right now is non-participation . In a world where virtually everything is either designed to completely waste your time or fail and not be repairable, it's a highly radical act to stop consuming like the 95%, preferring to spend time with other humans in reality doing something that isn't technological. In spite of the popular world pushing the message that you will be fulfilled living in virt…
I work seasonally and spend the other half of the year trying to disconnect and focus on real-life, outdoor hobbies. Even if I leave my phone turned off, the majority of the people around me, young and old alike, are on their phones. They feel a need to document what they are doing on social media. Even in countercultures that draw on the 1960s hippies for examples, people might frown on photos going on social media, but participants are still whipping out their phones constantly to look at stuff. Today, the person who takes that radical act finds it much more difficult to have a community of like-minded people.
Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
Erm, counter culture has nothing to do with age per se.
"never trust anyone over 30" was a maxim for a reason. It's difficult to fight culture once you've become invested in the status quo, and so alienated by the cutting edge that modernity disgusts you.
"that modernity disgusts you"
The thing that disgusts me the most about modernity, is actually teenage Instagramm/TikTok zombies, totally unaware of the algorithms controlling them, created by the tech crowd.
Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)
#59Counterculture requires gatekeeping, because most people can't take it, ESPECIALLY anyone who uses Instragram The best times I've had were having parties where we would work on cool exhibits with barely contained pyrotechnics, Tesla coils that would kill you if you touched it, and an expectation that YOU DO NOT PUT IT ON THE INTERNET and if you get hurt, YOU DID NOT GET HURT HERE. Everyone wants a nice and curated ex…
If you are risking fingers, cutting off body parts or taking dumb risks just stop. It's not worth it. It's not cool or interesting. These are the things you regret later. You did not get hurt here works until someone does get hurt and the hammer comes down on you.
I think you're missing the point of the comment. Saying "don't do these things" isn't helpful because people are going to do them regardless. OP is saying it should not be on the mainstream internet, ie, the open "gatekeeping required" statement.
Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)
#60Counterculture requires gatekeeping, because most people can't take it, ESPECIALLY anyone who uses Instragram The best times I've had were having parties where we would work on cool exhibits with barely contained pyrotechnics, Tesla coils that would kill you if you touched it, and an expectation that YOU DO NOT PUT IT ON THE INTERNET and if you get hurt, YOU DID NOT GET HURT HERE. Everyone wants a nice and curated ex…
I realize the irony of this question, but any suggestions on how to find these kinds of parties?
Join a local art collective or makerspace/hackerspace. Be open to not crying on the internet because you got hurt or someone said mean things, that comes with the package.
Eventually you may start connecting with people who know things