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Re: Lab-Grown Chicken Is Now Legal for Sale in the US

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Post by danaris » Fri, Jun 23, 2023, 4:28 PM UTC

phkahler wrote: post #43

doctorpangloss wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I’m curious how other vegetarians and vegans feel about eating lab-grown meat? Focusing only on the opinions about other people: eventually, there is going to be less meat. They're going to get less of this physiologically delightful thing. It's inevitable. For like 4-8% of the population, like me, they don't need the delight of meat. Fine. But that still leaves 92% who eat meat as long as it is possible to do so.…

>> It will be interesting to see how many people become vegan not because of any moral reason, but because it helps them e.g. cope with extraordinarily high prices. My estimate is zero. Prices may reduce certain foods to occasional consumption. I can't speak for other non-vegans, but I'll eat vegan food at times if that's what I go for or if that's what's served by someone. But scarcity will not cause someone to decl…

Indeed; scarcity is much more likely to make people eat whatever is most available.

Re: Lab-Grown Chicken Is Now Legal for Sale in the US

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Post by nanna » Fri, Jun 23, 2023, 4:28 PM UTC

nozzlegear wrote: post #17

I’m curious how other vegetarians and vegans feel about eating lab-grown meat? My gut reaction to this is “yuck, meat” [1]. I’ve been following lab-grown meat for a while and haven’t been able to get over this feeling, and for that reason I don’t think I’ll include it in my diet as a vegetarian. Intellectually I know that no animal was killed to produce it, but after going without meat for so long I just find the tho…

Veggie and can't wait. I'm veggie because the meat industry is, on the whole, horrendous to the lives of animals, is an industry of trauma for the people who kill animals day in day out, and because its unsustainable for the planet. I'm not a veggie because I dont think meat tastes great; there's no substitute for he depth of flavour that meat gives.

Re: Lab-Grown Chicken Is Now Legal for Sale in the US

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Post by somenameforme » Fri, Jun 23, 2023, 4:34 PM UTC

doctorpangloss wrote: post #32

nozzlegear wrote: post #17

I’m curious how other vegetarians and vegans feel about eating lab-grown meat? My gut reaction to this is “yuck, meat” [1]. I’ve been following lab-grown meat for a while and haven’t been able to get over this feeling, and for that reason I don’t think I’ll include it in my diet as a vegetarian. Intellectually I know that no animal was killed to produce it, but after going without meat for so long I just find the tho…

> I’m curious how other vegetarians and vegans feel about eating lab-grown meat? Focusing only on the opinions about other people: eventually, there is going to be less meat. They're going to get less of this physiologically delightful thing. It's inevitable. For like 4-8% of the population, like me, they don't need the delight of meat. Fine. But that still leaves 92% who eat meat as long as it is possible to do so.…

Meat price ranges have a relatively hard cap. The rule of thumb for free ranging chickens is about 50 per acre, and they're really easy to train to return to a coop at night, and many breeds are ready to harvest in as little as 6 weeks. So prices can only get so high before somebody starts to see some opportunity there.

Re: Lab-Grown Chicken Is Now Legal for Sale in the US

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Post by latchkey » Fri, Jun 23, 2023, 4:42 PM UTC

nozzlegear wrote: post #17

I’m curious how other vegetarians and vegans feel about eating lab-grown meat? My gut reaction to this is “yuck, meat” [1]. I’ve been following lab-grown meat for a while and haven’t been able to get over this feeling, and for that reason I don’t think I’ll include it in my diet as a vegetarian. Intellectually I know that no animal was killed to produce it, but after going without meat for so long I just find the tho…

My partner is veggie, but also into classical yoga, which includes a lot of theory on health and diet.

They believe that food we consume comes first from air/water/sun. Veggies grow in the sun and consume air/water/earth.

She doesn't eat mushrooms or other nightshades because they don't grow in the sun.

It is less about 'meat' and something much simpler... anything that comes from secondary sources, like cows eating grass, shouldn't be eaten.

Since lab grown meat doesn't fall under the air/water/sun conditions, it is an easy no for her.

Re: Lab-Grown Chicken Is Now Legal for Sale in the US

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Post by hospitalJail » Fri, Jun 23, 2023, 4:46 PM UTC

nix0n wrote: post #39

hospitalJail wrote: post #9

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This would be real meat. Just to be clear 'beyond meat' is a bean that is fermented. This is animal cells grown in a lab.

> This would be real meat. I'm not sure if I agree with that. It's definitely not real chicken.

It is real animal chicken muscle.

Are clones real animals?

Re: Lab-Grown Chicken Is Now Legal for Sale in the US

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Post by nozzlegear » Fri, Jun 23, 2023, 4:46 PM UTC

buzzy_hacker wrote: post #45

nozzlegear wrote: post #17

I’m curious how other vegetarians and vegans feel about eating lab-grown meat? My gut reaction to this is “yuck, meat” [1]. I’ve been following lab-grown meat for a while and haven’t been able to get over this feeling, and for that reason I don’t think I’ll include it in my diet as a vegetarian. Intellectually I know that no animal was killed to produce it, but after going without meat for so long I just find the tho…

I've written about this phenomenon specifically with regard to intuitions and vegetarianism. Our intuitions are from system 1 thinking, which includes (for you and me) "yuck, meat". But those intuitions are downstream from things we have worked out from deliberate system 2 thinking. So when I went vegetarian, it was very much not from an intuitive repulsion from meat (I loved meat), but from deliberate reasoning (sys…

I think you're spot on, my reaction toward meat is not an intuitive or instinctual human reaction given our evolution. It's something I've developed after becoming vegetarian. Speaking personally, long-running streaks are how I measure success, and my "days since I last ate meat" streak is my longest. This has caused me to develop a tiny paranoia of accidentally eating meat (e.g. ordering an impossible burger and the chef makes a real burger), which reinforces my "yuck, meat" intuition.

Re: Lab-Grown Chicken Is Now Legal for Sale in the US

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Post by AnonC » Fri, Jun 23, 2023, 5:04 PM UTC

nozzlegear wrote: post #17

I’m curious how other vegetarians and vegans feel about eating lab-grown meat? My gut reaction to this is “yuck, meat” [1]. I’ve been following lab-grown meat for a while and haven’t been able to get over this feeling, and for that reason I don’t think I’ll include it in my diet as a vegetarian. Intellectually I know that no animal was killed to produce it, but after going without meat for so long I just find the tho…

Generalizing a bit and admitting that this would vary across cultures: most vegans (who turned vegan for ethical reasons and have been vegan for quite sometime) would promote this for people who want to transition as well as to occasionally have this with non-vegans to show them what’s available. Left to themselves, they’d likely abstain from it for the most part since there are still some ethical questions about it (if FBS — fetal bovine serum — is used) and since there are a wide variety of foods already available to them anyway. It could be a once-in-a-while indulgence though.

Re: Lab-Grown Chicken Is Now Legal for Sale in the US

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Post by foxyv » Fri, Jun 23, 2023, 8:48 PM UTC

nozzlegear wrote: post #17

I’m curious how other vegetarians and vegans feel about eating lab-grown meat? My gut reaction to this is “yuck, meat” [1]. I’ve been following lab-grown meat for a while and haven’t been able to get over this feeling, and for that reason I don’t think I’ll include it in my diet as a vegetarian. Intellectually I know that no animal was killed to produce it, but after going without meat for so long I just find the tho…

Ethically I'm all right. If someone put it in my quesadilla by accident I wouldn't throw a fit. But aesthetically I can barely eat an Impossible Whopper because it's too close to the real thing. After years of not eating it I just don't think meat is very good. I used to get food poisoning regularly but not any more.

Re: Lab-Grown Chicken Is Now Legal for Sale in the US

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Post by nix0n » Fri, Jun 23, 2023, 8:56 PM UTC

hospitalJail wrote: post #55

nix0n wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This would be real meat. I'm not sure if I agree with that. It's definitely not real chicken.

It is real animal chicken muscle. Are clones real animals?

I think a cloned whole chicken is a real chicken, but I don't think a part of a chicken is a real chicken.

Re: Lab-Grown Chicken Is Now Legal for Sale in the US

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Post by crgwbr » Fri, Jun 23, 2023, 11:16 PM UTC

ezekg wrote: post #27

> The company plans to make 50,000 pounds of meat per year there to start, eventually scaling up to more than 400,000 pounds per year. Doesn't sound like they're planning on things being very popular. I buy >5 lb of chicken every month (family of 4). I imagine bigger families buy more. But let's assume I'm average -- so 50k lbs a year comes out to a little over 800 customers a year. So not a lot. Even their "big" pro…

Even 5 lbs a month per family seems extremely conservative. My family of two, not four, goes through more like 15-20 lbs of chicken a month.