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Re: EVE Online: Add-in for MS Excel

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Have they implemented WIS?

yes, but then they removed it because no one was using it

They never implemented multiplayer. They only let you walk around your own "Captain's Quarters."

They had the whole stations, bars, clubs, traders, asteroid exploration, assassination... etc. designs, but they couldn't figure out how to get it off the ground in a clean way.

Re: EVE Online: Add-in for MS Excel

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I've bounced off of EVE three times now, and I've come to the conclusion that as much as I want to play the game, it's just not fun. Whoa there! Before you reply, remember that fun is relative to each person, what's fun for you is not necessarily fun for me!

As I get older and I've played every genre, I think few video games are fun.

Many video games are addicting(stardew valley), many games invoke nostalgia(Nintendo/Zelda), some are slot machines(Diablo 3 and Starcraft Coop), etc...

You wonder how many games are genuinely fun, and how many are marketed well and cause a network effect. Did people really like playing Madden 20xx and Call of Duty X? Or did 1 popular friend get their psychology exploited, and if you wanted to be cool, you'd buy the game to play with them.

Re: EVE Online: Add-in for MS Excel

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This mostly facilitates nicely what players were already doing with api & data dump integrations. It greatly boosts accessibility though, which is great. It just is so remarkable to me that no other games dare to have the depth & accessibility that EVE does. No one else has anything remotely as open ended as EVE Online's existing APIs or data dumps. It's shocking to me that games remain so quaintly isolated in their…

As a Path of Exile player (another high complexity game, with market forces but less political intrigue), I wish we had more open APIs!

As a casual PoE player I hope sooner or later we will get an LLM that can make builds for me. https://poeplanner.com/ is still an absolute mindfuck. But it would be cool to have an LLM that does like "make me an INT/STR build with 2-handed weapon and aoe skills"

Re: EVE Online: Add-in for MS Excel

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Well, both! But for POE specifically, there's a lot of stuff they don't want to expose (the UI, damage numbers, MTX info, etc.) I wanted to build a better catalog for their MTX (because their shop site is pretty terrible) and was explicitly denied API access even though they already have a public API for it that their site uses. Shrug. Path of building is great, but AFAIK the formulas used for it are from observation…

That's true yes. Most of the Path of Building stuff is datamined and/or tested ingame. Interesting that they declined the shop idea, guess they dislike people touching anything to do with their monetization.

Yeah, their official API support is just really limited... by policy, not availability. https://www.pathofexile.com/developer/docs#resources

As in they have a bunch of endpoints that are perfectly usable but they don't want you using it for some reason. It spawned a small ecosystem of third party docs and wrappers on poedb and github.

I can't tell if GGG just don't have the resources to support more APIs or if they are worried about increasing access for other business reasons, but they do threaten an account ban for unauthorized use of their public APIs. It's too bad, as someone who's both spent a lot of money with them and wanted to spend more but could never find the right items because their official shop is so bad. Oh well.

Re: EVE Online: Add-in for MS Excel

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I've bounced off of EVE three times now, and I've come to the conclusion that as much as I want to play the game, it's just not fun. Whoa there! Before you reply, remember that fun is relative to each person, what's fun for you is not necessarily fun for me!

As I get older and I've played every genre, I think few video games are fun. Many video games are addicting(stardew valley), many games invoke nostalgia(Nintendo/Zelda), some are slot machines(Diablo 3 and Starcraft Coop), etc... You wonder how many games are genuinely fun, and how many are marketed well and cause a network effect. Did people really like playing Madden 20xx and Call of Duty X? Or did 1 popular friend…

>Did people really like playing Madden 20xx and Call of Duty X?

Can't talk about those games but Fortnite is a fine example of insanely popular game yet it's actually really fun too. I was ignoring it for a long time and started playing when the Covid lockdowns started and I was surprised that it's actually a good TPS game + the constant updates what makes it really enjoyable. Live service games live and die by the updates and Epic does the gameplay updates really well: new or unvaulted weapons every 2-3 weeks, new map changes every 3 months etc. So it always feels fresh, just enough change that you don't get bored.

There is also the aspect of instant gratification which makes the genre appealing to a lot and easy to jump in. It doesn't take a lot to understand what's going on and if you fail you just start a new game, akin to rogue/lite/like genre which is coincidentally (or not) became popular since the 2010s too.

Re: EVE Online: Add-in for MS Excel

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Not everyone wants to play a game where Excel is a requirement.

I guess it's also true that not everyone wants to play a game where an Excel add-in is not available. Please note, Excel is not a requirement to play EVE Online, it is only useful to have an add-in for some roles. Further, for most popular games, Excel doesn't even make sense. Parent's request for more games to be more accessible to external tools like Excel is not a request to make Excel access your CoD game state,…

Crusader Kings II/III w/ Excel?

Also, have to love that Microsoft is actually involved here. Makes me wish that Activision buy out goes through.

Re: EVE Online: Add-in for MS Excel

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I've bounced off of EVE three times now, and I've come to the conclusion that as much as I want to play the game, it's just not fun. Whoa there! Before you reply, remember that fun is relative to each person, what's fun for you is not necessarily fun for me!

As I get older and I've played every genre, I think few video games are fun. Many video games are addicting(stardew valley), many games invoke nostalgia(Nintendo/Zelda), some are slot machines(Diablo 3 and Starcraft Coop), etc... You wonder how many games are genuinely fun, and how many are marketed well and cause a network effect. Did people really like playing Madden 20xx and Call of Duty X? Or did 1 popular friend…

Can't speak to all games, but I have found that the Mortal Kombat/Tekken style fighting games really aren't that much fun to me anymore. Smashing buttons is fun for like maybe ten minutes, but it gets boring real quick.

Re: EVE Online: Add-in for MS Excel

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I've bounced off of EVE three times now, and I've come to the conclusion that as much as I want to play the game, it's just not fun. Whoa there! Before you reply, remember that fun is relative to each person, what's fun for you is not necessarily fun for me!

(I'm not saying this applies to you at all, but you made me think of it) One thing EVE taught me is that some games provide more enjoyment the more you put into it. For me, I had to play 'hardcore' in EVE to really start to have fun - casual just didn't work and was never enjoyable. At this point in my life I just don't want to invest the time and energy to enjoy EVE. I like hopping into a game and having fun immedia…

This echos my thoughts precisely. I clocked up a lot of hours 2004 to 2009, and more casual for a couple of years after. I feel you have to really commit to this game to get the real fun out of it. And sadly i don't have entire nights free to dedicate to games any more...so I'm done with it. I still miss it, even now...but i know that ship has sailed.

Re: EVE Online: Add-in for MS Excel

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As I get older and I've played every genre, I think few video games are fun. Many video games are addicting(stardew valley), many games invoke nostalgia(Nintendo/Zelda), some are slot machines(Diablo 3 and Starcraft Coop), etc... You wonder how many games are genuinely fun, and how many are marketed well and cause a network effect. Did people really like playing Madden 20xx and Call of Duty X? Or did 1 popular friend…

Can't speak to all games, but I have found that the Mortal Kombat/Tekken style fighting games really aren't that much fun to me anymore. Smashing buttons is fun for like maybe ten minutes, but it gets boring real quick.

On the other hand Street Fighter VI is the perfect example how to reinvent the genre. The new campaign mode is really good and makes the game 100x better than any other previous title. Honestly japanese studios has an insane year in 2023 (Zelda, RE4 Remake, FFXVI, Armored Core VI, Street Fighter VI etc.)

Re: EVE Online: Add-in for MS Excel

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I've bounced off of EVE three times now, and I've come to the conclusion that as much as I want to play the game, it's just not fun. Whoa there! Before you reply, remember that fun is relative to each person, what's fun for you is not necessarily fun for me!

As I get older and I've played every genre, I think few video games are fun. Many video games are addicting(stardew valley), many games invoke nostalgia(Nintendo/Zelda), some are slot machines(Diablo 3 and Starcraft Coop), etc... You wonder how many games are genuinely fun, and how many are marketed well and cause a network effect. Did people really like playing Madden 20xx and Call of Duty X? Or did 1 popular friend…

You wonder how many games are genuinely fun, and how many are marketed well and cause a network effect.

Are you trying to approach entertainment as if there is some objective measure of "fun"?

And how is this issue specific to games? Aren't movies, TV and books all subject to your same concerns?

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