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Nostr (“Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays”) – An Introduction

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Re: Nostr (“Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays”) – An Introduction

#51
post #39

I see a problem. I'd say a majority of the posts on Nostr are media posts (mostly images) and the network relies on Imgur and other image hosting services for all content. Not very decentralized in practice.

The problem is that a decentralized service links to a centralized service?

Re: Nostr (“Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays”) – An Introduction

#52
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been curious about BlueSky too, popping a lot on Twitter lately, but it's hard to secure an invite

Iirc the waitlist is packed (million or so) and they've only let in 20k so far while they're working on scaling moderation (which is pluggable as well, I think). Some info in the interview by TheVerge[0]. [0]: https://www.theverge.com/23686778/bluesky-ceo-jay-graber-int...

Lol seems easier to get hired than invited by those numbers, I´ll join the matrix channel and see what´s up there

Re: Nostr (“Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays”) – An Introduction

#53
post #9

How is this different than Secure Scuttlebutt? I remember following that for a while. Dominic Tarr invented that. Also Dat / Hypercore from Matthias Mullie, powering Beaker Browser

Here's a good write-up comparing SSB and Nostr. https://mattlorentz.com/weblog/2023/01/18/nostr-v-ssb.html

In my mind, key rotation is foundational, and neither system appears to support that.

Re: Nostr (“Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays”) – An Introduction

#54
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a good write-up comparing SSB and Nostr. https://mattlorentz.com/weblog/2023/01/18/nostr-v-ssb.html

In my mind, key rotation is foundational, and neither system appears to support that.

You just generate a new key and link to it with your old key.

Re: Nostr (“Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays”) – An Introduction

#55
post #39

I see a problem. I'd say a majority of the posts on Nostr are media posts (mostly images) and the network relies on Imgur and other image hosting services for all content. Not very decentralized in practice.

It's weird how "decentralized" means something different to every individual. Having the ability to choose where to host my images is what I'd call decentralized.

As I understand it, the raison d'être of nostr is to use relays to store your data, which is presented on clients. So if a front-end bans you, then you can grab your data off any relay. If imgur shuts down, you're out of luck!

Bluesky goes further with the AT protocol for more general data and algorithms iirc

Re: Nostr (“Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays”) – An Introduction

#56
post #39

I see a problem. I'd say a majority of the posts on Nostr are media posts (mostly images) and the network relies on Imgur and other image hosting services for all content. Not very decentralized in practice.

The problem is that a decentralized service links to a centralized service?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35692399

Re: Nostr (“Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays”) – An Introduction

#57
Nice (blog author here); just heard this showed up on the frontpage from someone on Nostr.

If I was writing an update to this, I'd probably point out how much better the clients (especially mobile) have gotten, in such a short span of time. As well as how lightning integration (zaps) are letting us build new capabilities (instead of just cloning twitter) that don't exist anywhere else.

Re: Nostr (“Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays”) – An Introduction

#58
post #12

> Resilience is provided by the protocol being simple enough to implement in a weekend, in your language of choice. Platform lock-in is impossible, since any client can republish any note to a different relay if one misbehaves or enacts a disagreeable policy. That's a wonderful sentiment but we said the same thing about the web and email and both are effectively controlled by large companies. Twitter is centralized d…

Rebuttal/response to/of your comment/thought/input. From the Wiki -

I ran across Nostr when I was looking for an excuse to do some network programming. I have a thing for small standards, and the Nostr spec was 75 lines of exactly what I was looking for.

Re: Nostr (“Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays”) – An Introduction

#59
post #12

> Resilience is provided by the protocol being simple enough to implement in a weekend, in your language of choice. Platform lock-in is impossible, since any client can republish any note to a different relay if one misbehaves or enacts a disagreeable policy. That's a wonderful sentiment but we said the same thing about the web and email and both are effectively controlled by large companies. Twitter is centralized d…

A big topic of conversation at nostrica (nostr's first conference) last month was how to maintain decentralization. One of the biggest concerns was having a client or relay provider build features outside of the protocol to gain market share and enable them to lock-in users. You are correct that there is no easy solution to these problems. There are draft NIPs that attempt to solve many of the problems you've describ…

To be clear: I am the submitter not the author. The link is just something I stumbled across while browsing ReclaimTheNet.

Re: Nostr (“Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays”) – An Introduction

#60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I host my own relay and it's stupid easy to set up. The problem then becomes relay discovery, which is an almost completely unsolved problem. I do think it will get there in though.

Check out the gossip client [0]. They take a unique stab at dealing with relay discovery. NIP-65 [1] also attempts to deal with this. Hopefully clients will start implementing this shortly. [0] https://github.com/mikedilger/gossip [1] https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/blob/master/65.md

https://coracle.social (my web client) implements relay discovery as well.
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