Can somebody recommend a free relay for kicking the tires?
Nostr (“Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays”) – An Introduction
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Re: Nostr (“Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays”) – An Introduction
#32> Resilience is provided by the protocol being simple enough to implement in a weekend, in your language of choice. Platform lock-in is impossible, since any client can republish any note to a different relay if one misbehaves or enacts a disagreeable policy. That's a wonderful sentiment but we said the same thing about the web and email and both are effectively controlled by large companies. Twitter is centralized d…
A big topic of conversation at nostrica (nostr's first conference) last month was how to maintain decentralization. One of the biggest concerns was having a client or relay provider build features outside of the protocol to gain market share and enable them to lock-in users.
You are correct that there is no easy solution to these problems. There are draft NIPs that attempt to solve many of the problems you've described. You're welcome to join us in the conversation and work with us to try and solve these hard problems!
https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/pulls
PS- I don't think the web is effectively controlled by large companies. Email is a different story though. Hopefully we can build nostr to be more like the web than email.
Re: Nostr (“Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays”) – An Introduction
#33Can somebody recommend a free relay for kicking the tires?
wss://no.str.cr
Re: Nostr (“Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays”) – An Introduction
#34As a crypto-skeptic (lol), I really like Nostr. Unfortunately, I don't think it will catch on until someone takes the time to shave off the sharp technical edges and figure out spam + identity verification. The current Nostr network is full of cult-like bitcoin cryptobros, racist Twitter/Fediverse refugees, and spam. Lots, and lots of spam. But the technology is cool af and could be made into something more.
I’ve switched over to only private and/or paid relays and don’t experience any spam whatsoever. Not that this is the best solution to spam, but it has been effective.
I host my own relay and it's stupid easy to set up. The problem then becomes relay discovery, which is an almost completely unsolved problem. I do think it will get there in though.
Re: Nostr (“Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays”) – An Introduction
#35> Software for chatting on the Internet should be small and fun. Small and fun is the magic here. There's immense product insight in building a product experience that feels really small, intimate. It's the counterbalance to the unwieldy scale of Big Tech. We're in the natural cycle of things, I'm just saying I seem to really get the feeling "the future is small", if that makes sense. It's quite stressful to navigate…
what is this obsession with products being "fun" to use? you know what makes chatting fun? the people I'm chatting with. you know what makes chatting not fun? being impeded from chatting with the fun people. a chat program that has fun people and always works is the most fun to use!
i agree, it's fun because of the people. a product is "not fun" when it impedes on those personal connections. like the obvious thing of injecting ads everywhere, a product doing that, is not fun in my view. it's infuriating
Re: Nostr (“Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays”) – An Introduction
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’ve switched over to only private and/or paid relays and don’t experience any spam whatsoever. Not that this is the best solution to spam, but it has been effective.
I host my own relay and it's stupid easy to set up. The problem then becomes relay discovery, which is an almost completely unsolved problem. I do think it will get there in though.
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Re: Nostr (“Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays”) – An Introduction
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’ve switched over to only private and/or paid relays and don’t experience any spam whatsoever. Not that this is the best solution to spam, but it has been effective.
I host my own relay and it's stupid easy to set up. The problem then becomes relay discovery, which is an almost completely unsolved problem. I do think it will get there in though.
Check out the gossip client [0]. They take a unique stab at dealing with relay discovery. NIP-65 [1] also attempts to deal with this. Hopefully clients will start implementing this shortly.
[0] https://github.com/mikedilger/gossip
[1] https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/blob/master/65.md
Re: Nostr (“Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays”) – An Introduction
#38Re: Nostr (“Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays”) – An Introduction
#39I see a problem. I'd say a majority of the posts on Nostr are media posts (mostly images) and the network relies on Imgur and other image hosting services for all content. Not very decentralized in practice.
Re: Nostr (“Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays”) – An Introduction
#40I see a problem. I'd say a majority of the posts on Nostr are media posts (mostly images) and the network relies on Imgur and other image hosting services for all content. Not very decentralized in practice.
It's weird how "decentralized" means something different to every individual. Having the ability to choose where to host my images is what I'd call decentralized.