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AI-generated image selected for a Sony World Photography Award

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Re: AI-generated image selected for a Sony World Photography Award

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Post by tivert »

capableweb wrote: post #49
tivert wrote: post #47

Is this fake? He claims: > I am very happy that I won the creative category of Sony World Photography Awards 2023 / Open Competition / Single Image. But I don't see that photo on the competition's website under "Winners » Creative - 2023 Open competition": https://www.worldphoto.org/sony-world-photography-awards/win... Edit: it looks like it was taken down, but I didn't see the note about that because I was looking a…

Further down the article there is an update that they removed the image from the competition after he revealed it was AI generated. Edit: actually, at the top it's mentioned: >>>>>>>>>>>UPDATE 14.3.23 / 10 AM CET As photolari.com reports, my image and name have now been taken off the SWPA webpage. Hope an official statement will follow.

You're right, it was there a month ago:

https://web.archive.org/web/20230315123415/https://www.world...

> Edit: actually, at the top it's mentioned:

> >>>>>>>>>>>UPDATE 14.3.23 / 10 AM CET

> As photolari.com reports, my image and name have now been taken off the SWPA webpage. Hope an official statement will follow.

> I didn't see that update because I was looking at the archived page linked in the top comment, since the main site appeared to have been hugged to death.

Re: AI-generated image selected for a Sony World Photography Award

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Post by esjeon »

galleywest200 wrote: post #4

My initial reaction was "great, so this is a thing now" but then I opened the article: > "I applied as a cheeky monkey, to find out, if the comeptitions (sic) are prepared for AI images to enter. They are not." I withdraw my heavy sigh. --- This did get me thinking though -- could camera manufacturers add a new tag to the EXIF data that is cryptographically signed by the camera? This could then be carried over from t…

It's a big sigh considering that the specific category is already open to Photoshop.

Re: AI-generated image selected for a Sony World Photography Award

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Post by shadowgovt »

23B1 wrote: post #28

What's the difference between a photo I generated with AI vs , say, one I edited using Adobe's AI-driven toolkit? This is a great debate and the right answer here for Sony (and everyone) is to have an open dialogue with creators and consider new sorts of categories and classifications so that we may revel in the spice of life – instead of letting it undermine/destroy the indefinable nature of art!

Sony always finds itself at the forefront of these kinds of discussions because they want to eat their cake while keeping their cake: their business model is to create and sell technology to enhance and simplify the audiovisual artistic processes, but if they enhance and simplify it too much they lower the price floor and pull money out of the market... Money they want.

As the MC Lars lyric goes, "Epic's up in my face like, 'Don't steal our songs, Lars' / While Sony sells the burners that are burning CD-R's."

Re: AI-generated image selected for a Sony World Photography Award

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Post by shadowgovt »

azubinski wrote: post #14

"AI images and photography should not compete with eachother in an award like this. They are different entities. AI is not photography. Therefore I will not accept the award" That is, the author of this dirty trick knew this very well from the very beginning, but nevertheless he submitted to the competition not a real shot (which is a unique stopped flat moment of reality), but a synthetic picture of which he is not…

> a unique stopped flat moment of reality

I wonder what Andy Warhol would make of that definition.

Re: AI-generated image selected for a Sony World Photography Award

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Post by shagie »

jncraton wrote: post #7
galleywest200 wrote: post #4

My initial reaction was "great, so this is a thing now" but then I opened the article: > "I applied as a cheeky monkey, to find out, if the comeptitions (sic) are prepared for AI images to enter. They are not." I withdraw my heavy sigh. --- This did get me thinking though -- could camera manufacturers add a new tag to the EXIF data that is cryptographically signed by the camera? This could then be carried over from t…

> could camera manufacturers add a new tag to the EXIF data that is cryptographically signed by the camera They could, and some already do, but this doesn't fully solve the problem. You'd still be left with the analog loophole[1]. A sufficiently advanced attacker could feed a generated image directly to the camera sensor. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_hole

For a long time, polaroids have been held as the "this image can't be faked."

Somewhere in my collection of lesser used equipment, I've got a Daylab. https://www.instantphoto.eu/pola/pola_daylab_300.htm and I used it to transfer some 35mm slides to 4x5" to practice the various manipulations you can do there (emulsion lifts and transfers).

The thing was I had a 35mm slide that was projected onto the film. If I could make a 35mm slide of some sort, I could then make a polaroid of a digital image. Even back then there were a few services that could do it.

The idea that you can ensure that the image produced is what was recorded, even two decades ago when polaroids were still a reasonable standard for authenticity of an image shows how easily it can be compromised. Well, maybe not easily but it isn't difficult for a serious hobbyist to create the appropriately constructed image in the desired media.

And so what if you sign the EXIF data. That only really guarantees that version of the image. If you adjust the saturation or curves or exposure... or correct for some lens aberration does that EXIF information still match the resulting photo? For that matter, what if you crop it to a square from a rectangle or stitch two images into a panorama?

Re: AI-generated image selected for a Sony World Photography Award

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Post by matheweis »

jamespo wrote: post #21

Is there any independent confirmation of this?

Linked from the author’s instagram:

> Fox News: World in pictures: 43 jaw-dropping photos from Sony World Photography Awards finalists

https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/wonderful-world-pictures-j...

> Image 5 of 43 "Pseudomnesia | The Electrician" by Boris Eldagsen of Germany; open competition shortlist for creative category, Sony World Photography Awards 2023. (Boris Eldagsen, Sony World Photography Awards 2023)

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