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Lemon-derived nanoparticles block the progression of kidney stones

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Re: Lemon-derived nanoparticles block the progression of kidney stones

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Post by sleepybrett »

kevinak wrote: post #48
jv22222 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I opted for surgery on my 2nd stone and it was a terrible mistake IMHO I should have tried to let it pass. The first was painful but not THAT bad. Worst experience I've ever had. Now when I get a tinge of pain I immediately take Chanca Piedra and it seems to have helped for past few years, no reoccurrence, but could just be anecdotal & conicendental.

Is blowing them up using ultrasound not an option where you’re from? Surgery sounds horrible. Would have probably also opted for passing the stones if that was an alternative… Also the procedure is pretty sci-fi - https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/treatment-tests-and-t ...

I asked about this after I passed my first stone (went to my gp, they gave me flomax and a painkiller, the later of which I really only used to help me sleep, I didn't find the stone particularly 'painful' just very uncomfortable). My urologist said they really only use ultrasound for stones they consider large.

Re: Lemon-derived nanoparticles block the progression of kidney stones

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Post by sleepybrett »

malloci wrote: post #38
pubby wrote: post #34

Two fun facts about kidney stones: 1) Roller coasters help dislodge and pass kidney stones because of their high-intensity jerky motions. 2) Although calcium supplements increase the risk of kidney stones, dietary calcium seems to reduce it.

I’ve known two people who have had kidney stones and I don’t think either of them would have been able to withstand the pain from the stone enough to go on a rollercoaster. Then again, maybe the promise of ending the pain will give enough motivation to grit it out.

I don't find they, at least the three I've passed, as particularly painful. It's more like an intense discomfort. I find myself in a cycle of pacing, laying down and sitting (mostly on the toilet, you feel like you have to pee constantly). It's like discomfort limbo.

Re: Lemon-derived nanoparticles block the progression of kidney stones

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Post by sleepybrett »

ChatGTP wrote: post #20

Does anyone know if you can drink something to reduce the size of an existing stone ? I know it’s likely a “no”, but any novel treatments on the horizon ? I’ve received EWS and it’s not fun, did seem to reduce the size of a big stone I had though, 20mm

My urologist suggested that apple cider vinegar can help break up some types of stones. I usually do an oz or so in a mug of hot water. Lemon juice goes into my water bottle whenever I refill it.

Re: Lemon-derived nanoparticles block the progression of kidney stones

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Post by kevinak »

sleepybrett wrote: post #51
kevinak wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is blowing them up using ultrasound not an option where you’re from? Surgery sounds horrible. Would have probably also opted for passing the stones if that was an alternative… Also the procedure is pretty sci-fi - https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/treatment-tests-and-t ...

I asked about this after I passed my first stone (went to my gp, they gave me flomax and a painkiller, the later of which I really only used to help me sleep, I didn't find the stone particularly 'painful' just very uncomfortable). My urologist said they really only use ultrasound for stones they consider large.

TIL - I must’ve had huge ones then .

Maybe smaller stones don’t show up on the scans and there’s a much larger risk of collateral damage.

Kidney stones are the worst things I’ve ever experienced in my life. I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy. Ugh.

Re: Lemon-derived nanoparticles block the progression of kidney stones

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Post by jonhohle »

pmarreck wrote: post #45
jv22222 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I opted for surgery on my 2nd stone and it was a terrible mistake IMHO I should have tried to let it pass. The first was painful but not THAT bad. Worst experience I've ever had. Now when I get a tinge of pain I immediately take Chanca Piedra and it seems to have helped for past few years, no reoccurrence, but could just be anecdotal & conicendental.

> Worst experience I've ever had. wait... did you... have a surgery without anesthesia or something??

They consider it a surgery, but it’s not unlike a colonoscopy where there is no investing, just instruments entering orifices.

I’ve had two ureteroscopies while awake without any kind of anesthetic. It’s likely the worst experience I’ve had another human inflict on me. You’re in a very vulnerable position, it’s very painful, and it induces the sensation of urinating uncontrollably.

After my first, the doc decided he might as well do a prostate exam as well. I went in not knowing either was going to happen. I was shaken for about a week afterwards.

Re: Lemon-derived nanoparticles block the progression of kidney stones

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Post by kevinak »

sleepybrett wrote: post #50
nrau wrote: post #5

I got my first and so far only (fingers crossed!) kidney stone five years ago. At that time I started drinking lemon juice with hot water to start each day before consuming anything else, and it has so far kept any recurrence of kidney stones away. I really do believe the lemon juice has been key for me in this regard, and it is in any case a very healthy thing to do daily anyways (known and practiced by other cultur…

I've had a couple over the last few years. I've also started throwing lemon juice in my water bottle whenever I refill it. My urologist also suggested apple cider vinegar, I try to take a bit of that every day too (usually hot). It can help dissolve stones. I personally don't find them particularly 'painful' more like profoundly uncomfortable. I find that I constantly am in a cycle of sitting for a few minutes then p…

I’d say in your case your stones probably haven’t been that big. My stones were the worst experience of my life - only IV morphine helped. And even that made the pain just tolerable. Horrible!

I do identify with the constant uncomfortableness though.

Re: Lemon-derived nanoparticles block the progression of kidney stones

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Post by arcanemachiner »

qskousen wrote: post #24
throwanem wrote: post #2

Time I made a habit of drinking lemonade - a suggestion I'd have expected from my urologist, but not one I'm sorry to have run across whatever the source.

I drink lemonade regularly (I make my own), but to prevent heartburn, as lemon turns into a base in your stomach and is very helpful with heartburn. Now knowing that it is also good for kidney stone prevention just puts the cherry on top!

> lemon turns into a base in your stomach

This doesn't make any sense to me. How can two acids combine to create a base?

Re: Lemon-derived nanoparticles block the progression of kidney stones

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Post by kevinak »

darkerside wrote: post #56

I'm a little astounded that there hasn't been a more effective physical intervention invented to handle kidney stones and gout. It seems like there should be a way to use high intensity ultrasound waves or something similar to break them up.

Funnily enough using ultrasound is actually a pretty common treatment: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/treatment-tests-and-t...
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