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Re: India’s government wants total control of the internet

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Post by Hizonner »

random314 wrote: post #45
0x5FC3 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A hitjob is a hitjob, but a pogrom is not a pogrom?

EDIT: My response was sarcastic. Just characterizing the right wing misinformation accounts on HN. The pogrom is an internal matter. A hitjob is external interference. /s Btw, I watched the documentary and it actually covers the Supreme court judgement, so the responding accounts are actually spreading misinformation.

> The pogrom is an internal matter. A hitjob is external interference.

I'm sure that line on the map is really important to the victims...

Re: India’s government wants total control of the internet

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Post by rustedspoon »

vijaybritto wrote: post #25

I have learnt a very valuable lesson about my country's people at the face of the fascist govt. Caste affinity triumphs anything and everything. No matter how cruel the BJP is, their core vote bank which is the Upper caste population are not going to deviate away from them. The BJP has perfected formulas to win elections using hook or crook in every state now. Modi is going to do more fascist stuff and take away righ…

I’m not a bjp supporter by any chance, but this logic isn’t sound. if anything bjp wants to ignore the caste logic and combine all Hindu vote bank, I believe that’s how they won. Their religious arm even goes out and says this out loud that caste was only created after/during British colonization (true or not) and it didn’t exist in Vedas. They got 40 percent of the country’s vote in last election, do you mean 40 percent of the Country are upper caste Hindus and every single one of them voted for the bjp? Our current president from a scheduled tribe. Understanding bjp is the key to defeating them

Re: India’s government wants total control of the internet

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Post by leereeves »

random314 wrote: post #45
0x5FC3 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A hitjob is a hitjob, but a pogrom is not a pogrom?

EDIT: My response was sarcastic. Just characterizing the right wing misinformation accounts on HN. The pogrom is an internal matter. A hitjob is external interference. /s Btw, I watched the documentary and it actually covers the Supreme court judgement, so the responding accounts are actually spreading misinformation.

A pogrom is a crime against humanity and therefore not an internal matter.

Re: India’s government wants total control of the internet

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Post by wkat4242 »

jamal-kumar wrote: post #41
unpopularopp wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it's on the iPlayer and works perfectly? So you can watch it in your own country https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0dkb144

Not outside of the UK without a VPN (And let's be honest, who buys one in a country which has restricted internet to begin with?) but if they haven't blocked this link in your locale here's an option to watch it as well: https://archive.org/details/india.-the.-modi.-question.-s-01...

> And let's be honest, who buys one in a country which has restricted internet to begin with?

It would be the first thing I'd get in a country with restricted internet :)

Re: India’s government wants total control of the internet

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Post by supriyo-biswas »

managerclass wrote: post #39
supriyo-biswas wrote: post #24

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A corporation trying to align with a specific belief system would mean some countries would fall outside of it. This leaves them with two choices - either they stop doing business in said countries, or maximize profits by conducting business in those countries by loosening their belief system to include the countries' negatives, such as censorship of political discourse in this case.

I guess my question is if US tech companies don't comply with the Indian government and gets shut down, wouldn't an identical company who will comply with the Indian government just take its place? The censorship is taking place either way right? Why not take the money?

Yes, and this is exactly why companies decide to stay in business in said regions and focus on what they do best - continue to offer products and services (or "maximize shareholder value" if you're cynical).

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Post by gautamdivgi »

vijaybritto wrote: post #25

I have learnt a very valuable lesson about my country's people at the face of the fascist govt. Caste affinity triumphs anything and everything. No matter how cruel the BJP is, their core vote bank which is the Upper caste population are not going to deviate away from them. The BJP has perfected formulas to win elections using hook or crook in every state now. Modi is going to do more fascist stuff and take away righ…

Ummm - Modi is from one of the backward classes. Amit Shah is a Jain not Hindu upper caste. The president is a tribal woman. This whole upper caste bashing doesn’t reflect reality.

Re: India’s government wants total control of the internet

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Post by wkat4242 »

archon1410 wrote: post #43
Hizonner wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kind of not the point. The BBC being unwilling to be intimidated doesn't imply that Youtube should be willing. And I wonder if that BBC link works in India. Or if this one does: https://btdig.com/search?q=modi+question&order=2

> BBC iPlayer only works in the UK. Sorry, it’s due to rights issues. BCC iPlayer doesn't work in any country other than the UK, so there isn't any question of it working in India. BTDigg is blocked in India, along with most piracy oriented websites, since long before the BBC documentary thing I think.

But for the content they make, they own the rights. Including this doc, right? So what's the problem?

Re: India’s government wants total control of the internet

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Post by eldaisfish »

rustedspoon wrote: post #40
desi_ninja wrote: post #21

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It was timed perfectly. 20 years later, nobody can question the documentary makers. A hitjob is hitjob.

The documentary did not even talk about how the Supreme Court of India investigated twice and the first one while the current opposition government was in power, and what conclusion they have reached. No witnesses from who were actually affected on both sides. Not sure if it should even be called a documentary.

For anyone wondering - the evidence implicating Modi "vanished". No court will convict someone without evidence and the Indian prosecution in general has a record of doing a shit job in gathering implicating evidence when influential folks are involved.

Also, the one member of the indian bureaucracy who dared to question Modi's role in the riots - Sanjiv Bhatt - was sentenced to life in prison.

I am not sure what the poster here is insinuating with the claim that the case was tried under a different government. In no reasonable democracy are the courts swayed by politics.

Re: India’s government wants total control of the internet

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Post by dctoedt »

smoldesu wrote: post #11
shitlord wrote: post #8

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Companies want to profit. They'll either be forced to follow different local laws in different locations, or they'll avoid the situation altogether. Microsoft chose the second approach and now Windows doesn't have flag emojis.

Companies do want to profit, but a lot of them (eg. Microsoft, Google, Amazon) draw the line somewhere. Many of those companies refuse to do business in China because their demands are too extreme. Other businesses that choose to operate in China are forced to lie to their customers and directly jeopardize their user's data. Look at iOS, which needs constant radical changes to comply with CCP demands. Be it changing…

> Companies want to profit.

Maybe tax the sh*t out of whatever profits they make in oppressive countries? "Go ahead and profit from dealing with Whateverstan, but we'll take most of it away from you."

Re: India’s government wants total control of the internet

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Post by oaththrowaway »

dmix wrote: post #48
garettmd wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China's done similar things, the most prominent I can think of being them bullying the NBA into policing what their players can say.

And NBA franchise executives

And reporters covering the situation (The Athletic)
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