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Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

#51
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That’s plenty of time to dust off the resume and start pounding the pavement! Very generous of Microsoft to give so much notice! Edit: for those who may think I’m overreacting to a small change in tooling, I offer this classic essay [1]. It explains the reasoning behind leaving much better than I could! [1] https://steveblank.com/2009/12/21/the-elves-leave-middle-ear...

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Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

#52
post #7

No surprise here, but I wish almost anyone else purchased github instead of Microsoft. One can hope the founders will eventually pull a "MySQL" --> "mariadb" :) I wonder when github developers will be forced to moved from Linux to Windows ?

Microsoft employee here. I was actually handed a MacBook Pro on day 1, I didn't even ask for it my manager at the time just assumed.

There is a large community inside Microsoft using Linux as their daily driver.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

#53
post #11

Somewhat ironic that a company that’s entire existence was based on the idea of giving developers great tools no longer values giving its own developers great tools. Only a matter of time before this new attitude towards developers shows up in the product.

Not that I disagree with the sentiment. But one could look at this an an opportunity to try and improve Teams. Sucks a bit short term for the people who have to use it, but if they can capture feedback (from a captive user group paid for their time) and improve it, everybody wins. I think is would be worse if they just kept polishing a turd in an ivory tower (so to speak) and let their employees use something else

I don't think lack of feedback is a problem, nor would Microsoft have any trouble assembling a paid group of testers to give them feedback if they needed it without subjecting Github employees to the not-even-all-that-polished turd that is Teams.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Changing jobs over video conferencing software would be extreme.

You'd think but if where I work ever mandated I had to stop using Linux I'd start looking elsewhere. I have to spend 8 hours a day using a tool and I get frustrated with suboptimal tools, why subject myself to that on top of everything else I have to do.

I like your take and agree 100%. With the addition that referring to Windows 11 as “suboptimal” might be the understatement of the century.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

#55
post #13

Maybe I'm nuts, but I see almost zero appreciable difference between any of the most common chat or video conference platforms. They all have some little quirks or bonus features, but 99% of the time I'm only using the core features that they all do the same. Slack is absurdly expensive for what it does. Slack Pro is $12.50/person/mo. It's the same price for O365 which includes chat, video and the entire Office suite…

> Slack Pro is $12.50/person/mo. It's the same price for O365 which includes chat, video and the entire Office suite.

And how much is a junior engineer per month in a small European company, let alone a senior one in a FAANG?

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

#56
post #4

"for the sole purpose of video conferencing". They're still using slack for day-to-day...

So the official meetings will be in teams and the important meetings in Slack huddles? Does teams allow you to draw on the screen?

> Does teams allow you to draw on the screen?

i mean; no one can really tell you what to do with your sharpie.

(but yes; that's been baked in for a while)

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

#59
post #50
post #11

Somewhat ironic that a company that’s entire existence was based on the idea of giving developers great tools no longer values giving its own developers great tools. Only a matter of time before this new attitude towards developers shows up in the product.

That's overtly harsh take I think. Teams has issues; but asking employees of a company to use said companies tools internally isn't necessarily a bad thing. Hard to improve without dogfooding.

The point of dogfooding isn't feeding your employees any old dog food. The point of dogfooding is that the dog food you make is so damn good your employees prefer it over making lunch boxes or eating out.

(It doesn't have to be perfect, or course, just do something better than its competitors to be attractive to use. I struggle to think of a single redeeming feature of Teams.)

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

#60
post #37

What's the problem with "4 yr old laptops"? My colleagues and I use Teams on computers 1-5 years old and haven't heard about any issues.

Maybe that works well on Windows machines, on the Mac at least on the Intel-era some year-old Macs MS Teams is one of the most horrible, buggy, resource hungry, non-working app that one could imagine.
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