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GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by hackerman_fi »

williamstein wrote: post #16
jmclnx wrote: post #7

No surprise here, but I wish almost anyone else purchased github instead of Microsoft. One can hope the founders will eventually pull a "MySQL" --> "mariadb" :) I wonder when github developers will be forced to moved from Linux to Windows ?

How might they do that given that Microsoft now owns all of the IP and GitHub is mostly closed source? It seems like a very different situation than the liberally open source MySQL.

Same way Gitlab and countless other services are built on top of Git, which is definitely not owned by MS :)

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by aldarisbm »

capableweb wrote: post #9
aldarisbm wrote: post #3

uh.. i dont see the problem? They are only using it for video conferencing. day to day collab still on slack...

> They are only using it for video conferencing. day to day collab still on slack... If they're already using Slack, Slack has video conferencing and they are trying to reduce costs, why not centralize everything in Slack or Teams?

Not sure, I dont work at Microsoft, but if my company did 70% of what slack does, sometimes significantly better (IAM). I would too, want my employees to use my software, and with that raise problems and make it better.

I understand the frustration of some people, but this is by no means something oppresive at all. A lot of companies use "X" office suite, and use zoom for calls , etc. It's okay for everything to not be centralized, always.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by bombcar »

williamstein wrote: post #16
jmclnx wrote: post #7

No surprise here, but I wish almost anyone else purchased github instead of Microsoft. One can hope the founders will eventually pull a "MySQL" --> "mariadb" :) I wonder when github developers will be forced to moved from Linux to Windows ?

How might they do that given that Microsoft now owns all of the IP and GitHub is mostly closed source? It seems like a very different situation than the liberally open source MySQL.

The problem is that what GitHub does is relatively reproducible (Gitlab, gitea, bitbucket? others do it) but the value GitHub provides is free hosting for so much content.

Anyone can make an image hosting site, making one profitable long term is always the problem. For now, GitHub is winning because of the free side of their toolset.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by yamtaddle »

tootie wrote: post #13

Maybe I'm nuts, but I see almost zero appreciable difference between any of the most common chat or video conference platforms. They all have some little quirks or bonus features, but 99% of the time I'm only using the core features that they all do the same. Slack is absurdly expensive for what it does. Slack Pro is $12.50/person/mo. It's the same price for O365 which includes chat, video and the entire Office suite…

Nah, Zoom was wildly better than other options at first, but the rest these days are mostly OK enough to handle most day-to-day needs. And yeah, chat apps are pretty similar.

... except Teams, which manages to be possibly the single most confusing piece of software I've ever used. And I like Paradox games....

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by aldarisbm »

yamtaddle wrote: post #29
aldarisbm wrote: post #3

uh.. i dont see the problem? They are only using it for video conferencing. day to day collab still on slack...

Slack has video conferencing. Every redundant tool a company makes workers use makes work less pleasant. I'd expect at some point they'll push them the rest of the way onto Teams, to reduce that redundancy. Which will be even worse, because Teams is so incredibly bad.

Slack's video conferencing is archaic compared to something like zoom (maybe not teams), but out of all of the video conferencing tools, slack is the worst.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by version_five »

ralph84 wrote: post #11

Somewhat ironic that a company that’s entire existence was based on the idea of giving developers great tools no longer values giving its own developers great tools. Only a matter of time before this new attitude towards developers shows up in the product.

Not that I disagree with the sentiment. But one could look at this an an opportunity to try and improve Teams. Sucks a bit short term for the people who have to use it, but if they can capture feedback (from a captive user group paid for their time) and improve it, everybody wins. I think is would be worse if they just kept polishing a turd in an ivory tower (so to speak) and let their employees use something else

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by VeninVidiaVicii »

ralph84 wrote: post #11

Somewhat ironic that a company that’s entire existence was based on the idea of giving developers great tools no longer values giving its own developers great tools. Only a matter of time before this new attitude towards developers shows up in the product.

Well said. I am getting these eerie feelings todays tech giants are turning into modern-day IBM — in that they are more just turning into generic businesses.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by nkotov »

meitros wrote: post #4

"for the sole purpose of video conferencing". They're still using slack for day-to-day...

I had to use Teams for a couple of months with a client. It's not great but it's not terrible. I do miss days of Zoom but I opened it recently and found apps listed during the call of sudden - felt like bloatware.
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