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Public broadcasters want to reclaim online spaces with “Public Spaces Incubator”

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Re: Public broadcasters want to reclaim online spaces with “Public Spaces Incubator”

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Post by autoexec »

vorpalhex wrote: post #36
syzarian wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you say here is what someone who has extreme or fringe political views would say. I don’t know if you do have such views but it might be worth considering what it means or how it comes across to others to say things such people say. It’s hard to believe they only allow an ultra narrow viewpoint. It’s not like the liberal party is always the one in power in Canada.

The CBC is well noted for how extreme of a bias it has, especially compared to other public broadcasters such as BBC or PBS. Most public broadcasters lean a bit left but are somewhere in the median. CBC is not. Being a public broadcaster does not exempt you from criticism.

less extreme than I thought https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/cbc-news-canadian-broadcastin...

AT least compared to the https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/huffington-post/ or https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/fox-news-bias/

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Post by nicbou »

snowpid wrote: post #44
nicbou wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ZDF is not a government broadcaster. It's paid for by the TV tax, which is also not managed by the German government.

it is still enforced by the state, you cant get rid of it. So it is basically govermental one.

How so? The government has zero control over it.

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Post by logicalmonster »

kneebonian wrote: post #45
logicalmonster wrote: post #28

> free from harassment or bullying Hope springs eternal, but color me skeptical that any speech that is inconvenient to those with authority doesn't instantly get labelled as cyberbullying and shut down. The only way to guarantee freedom of speech is to acknowledge that some people are going to get their knickers in a twist when they see some of the comments, and there's nothing that can be done about that.

That's one thing I just don't get. When I started on the internet there were 3 rules that were drilled into my head. 1. Don't believe everything or anything you see on the internet. 2. Don't divulge any personal information on the internet 3. Don't take anything on the internet seriously. It seems like those three rules solve most of the problems we have on the internet. I've also noticed most of the issues and probl…

Seriously promoting those rules would go a long way towards solving many of the Internet's problems surrounding misinformation and privacy, but would create an even bigger crisis for the ruling class. The problem is that powerful people don't also want the masses to apply a lens of skepticism to everything they hear coming from them. There is no way for them to promote a message of "don't believe everything you hear" and not have that bite them back hard because people would also apply that rule towards them. This is why attempts to solving "misinformation" have so far been things like "independent fact checkers" and outright censorship.

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Post by syzarian »

jstanley wrote: post #43
syzarian wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you say here is what someone who has extreme or fringe political views would say. I don’t know if you do have such views but it might be worth considering what it means or how it comes across to others to say things such people say. It’s hard to believe they only allow an ultra narrow viewpoint. It’s not like the liberal party is always the one in power in Canada.

What you say here implies that you think extreme or fringe political views are somehow "bad".

For the most part, in this current time, they are. There are examples where they aren't bad, of course.

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Post by syzarian »

switchbak wrote: post #42
syzarian wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Definitely doesn’t exempt one from scrutiny or criticism. But I find it hard to believe that they only allow an ultra narrow viewpoint. I don’t watch television news so I realize I could be completely wrong.

I've listened to CBC for decades, and as of the last few years you simply will not hear a conservative viewpoint expressed in good faith. And increasingly you won't even hear moderate left views. I'm not conservative myself, but I get very uncomfortable when a large part of our population is treated like their views are not worth hearing.

Thank you for the correction. I'm shocked this is so since it's not like conservatives will never again gain power in Canada. So it doesn't make sense to alienate a political party that can someday defund you.

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Post by 908B64B197 »

syzarian wrote: post #30
version_five wrote: post #23

This is a joke. I don't know about the other broadcasters, but Canada's CBC is the propaganda organ of the liberal party and only allows an ultra-narrow ideological viewpoint. This will be the opposite of inclusive, it will just be a woke echo chamber.

What you say here is what someone who has extreme or fringe political views would say. I don’t know if you do have such views but it might be worth considering what it means or how it comes across to others to say things such people say. It’s hard to believe they only allow an ultra narrow viewpoint. It’s not like the liberal party is always the one in power in Canada.

Weren't they the ones to float the idea that the Trucker's protests were somehow violent and that the Russians were behind it?

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Post by philwelch »

switchbak wrote: post #41
syzarian wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you say here is what someone who has extreme or fringe political views would say. I don’t know if you do have such views but it might be worth considering what it means or how it comes across to others to say things such people say. It’s hard to believe they only allow an ultra narrow viewpoint. It’s not like the liberal party is always the one in power in Canada.

What you're saying was true of the CBC from 8ish years ago, but the modern CBC is an entirely different animal. It really is embarrassingly partisan, and increasingly out of touch with the absolute vast majority of Canadians. This is true for their television programming, but moreso for their radio side. Often third rate podcasts and YouTube channels will bring in more views than their flagship shows. It's really onl…

What's interesting to me about this phenomenon is that if you are a committed supporter of the agenda and you're accustomed to an outlet like the CBC being fair and moderate, you end up in a constructed frame of reference in which everyone else has left the Overton window, when in reality, the window has been closed around you. I don't think the net effect actually convinces anyone to change their mind, but it does something to the people who are inside the narrowed window: it makes them less and less tolerant of dissenting views.

And in case this wasn't obvious, I'm not just talking about the CBC here.

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Post by wyager »

uniqueuid wrote: post #11
wyager wrote: post #6

> The new "Public Spaces Incubator" (PSI) initiative will develop and test innovative solutions that encourage accessible and meaningful online conversations on issues of public interest, free from harassment or bullying — inclusive exchanges that will reflect diverse viewpoints and promote greater empathy and understanding, without suppressing perspectives or ideas. > "Online spaces that are free from disinformation…

European countries' media systems are very different from the US and your conclusions are not really valid. The ZDF, one of these PSBs, reaches an average of 5 million people daily on TV, which accounts to >10% of the German TV audience, and it has an online reach of >100 million monthly visits which also makes it one of the top news sources online. Their audience leans towards elderly segments, but it's still a huge…

So like a mid tier youtube channel?

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Post by kolp »

uniqueuid wrote: post #10
quirk wrote: post #8

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Oh that's interesting. I just assumed. Sorry! So who collects the tax?

nicbou's link has details on the how, but here's a direct answer to the why: The money is not a tax because it's not the government that collects it, and the government cannot decide how much it should be. Instead, there are institutions that have been granted powers to levy their own fees and self-govern to a large degree. Accountability is established through an oversight board that includes representatives from ci…

Worth adding that it's a compulsory charge for every German household, regardless of whether they watch or listen to the programming, or own a TV. Non-payment leads to collection agency, and ultimately jail.

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Post by kolp »

nicbou wrote: post #52
snowpid wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it is still enforced by the state, you cant get rid of it. So it is basically govermental one.

How so? The government has zero control over it.

The government will put you in jail if you don't pay it. Not quite like a Netflix subscription, then.
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