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Tesla calls self-driving technology 'failure,' not fraud

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Re: Tesla calls self-driving technology 'failure,' not fraud

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretend you don’t know anything about the different levels. You’re just a random person looking to buy a car. What does “full self driving” sound like to you?

> What does “full self driving” sound like to you? Well, that I would be fully self driving the car? ^^

No it means that you have to drive the car with your full self.

Re: Tesla calls self-driving technology 'failure,' not fraud

#54
post #17

You know, where Theranos went wrong was not selling some other thing and then tack on their “Full blood test in just one drop” thing as an add-on. Oh and making sure it’s labeled beta . That’s very important.

Milton from Nikola would be better example in my opinion. You had him rolling a truck down the hill to show it works despite at the time it was still technology in development (company is still doing progress now). It still shocks me he is going to prison for that as a fraud when it was just a commercial. I don't know if you know - but classical trick in advertising food is using cigarette smoke instead of hot steam…

No, McDonald’s execs don’t go to prison because they can actually deliver the product they advertise.

Between the statements “Here’s a burger you can eat it” and “here’s a truck look at it go”, only one is a lie.

Re: Tesla calls self-driving technology 'failure,' not fraud

#55

I've owned Tesla's since 2016. At no time did I base my purchases on what the cars might be able to do in the future, only what they can do right now. Nor did I see any compelling reason to donate $10k - $15k to their R&D effort. The cars were compelling enough on their own merits and remain so. The FSD fiasco really does a disservice to what is otherwise a revolutionary car company producing excellent automobiles.

How is Tesla revolutionary? We had electric cars (on Moon!!) in 1969

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Roving_Vehicle

Re: Tesla calls self-driving technology 'failure,' not fraud

#56

Did it even fail, though? AIUI, they never claimed more than SAE Level 2, meaning that the driver must maintain full control at all times...

It’s literally in the name - “Full Self-Driving”. They’ve been marketing this for years (probably still do).

Re: Tesla calls self-driving technology 'failure,' not fraud

#57
post #17

You know, where Theranos went wrong was not selling some other thing and then tack on their “Full blood test in just one drop” thing as an add-on. Oh and making sure it’s labeled beta . That’s very important.

Milton from Nikola would be better example in my opinion. You had him rolling a truck down the hill to show it works despite at the time it was still technology in development (company is still doing progress now). It still shocks me he is going to prison for that as a fraud when it was just a commercial. I don't know if you know - but classical trick in advertising food is using cigarette smoke instead of hot steam…

You make it seem like the commercial was the only evidence used to prove that he committed fraud. He made statements, both in media and in legal documents, that proved in the court that he commit fraud.

Re: Tesla calls self-driving technology 'failure,' not fraud

#59
FSD beta is fairly good, certainly better than the standard Autopilot. It's definitely not perfect, but so far for basic driving from point A to B it seems to work well. I can only see the tech improving as it gathers more data and feedback. It's a ML training data problem at this point, no?

Re: Tesla calls self-driving technology 'failure,' not fraud

#60
post #19

Well fortunately Tesla has a laser-focused CEO that is devoting his time to making sure a feature which he clearly stated was absolutely critical is being responsibly developed and marketed. Really grateful for that—I’d hate to think this publicly traded company that had a sky-high valuation that was, in part, based off this promise was being led by somebody who is off in the weeds worried about social media or somet…

It must take a lot of time and attention to manage Elon. Perhaps Tesla will succeed a bit more while he is distracted.
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