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Re: He’s Fired

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Post by NickC25 »

la64710 wrote: post #50

While this all maybe entertaining to some people , it all just seems highly unprofessional. Right things can be done in a professional and respectful way , not make it all a big show unless they are desperate ways for the company to attract eyeballs and money.

A brand new (non-technical) CEO using misinformation to call out his dev team in public is also highly unprofessional, especially when they've tried to raise the same issue to management previously (apparently).

I've seen the entire thread the fired gentleman in question wrote, and I don't see anything wrong with it, besides calling BS on the world's second biggest man-baby.

>not make it all a big show unless they are desperate ways for the company to attract eyeballs and money.

Are we talking about the fired gentleman or Elon Musk here?

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Post by bmitc »

threatofrain wrote: post #40
devwastaken wrote: post #37

Elon's "free speech" is just marketing. He himself is not qualified to moderate Twitter. They're offended easily and throw tantrums when they don't get their way. If this is how the boss acts the rest of the staff will be taking notes and doing it to you too.

Tantrum is a kind way of framing Elon's social media style. Elon's tactical repertoire includes accusations of pedophilia, as he did to a rescue worker during a deadly rescue mission. Elon later double-downed on the claim by elaborating on why he thought the rescue worker was a pedophile.

It's really a sad thing that Elon Musk won that lawsuit.

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#53

Post by db48x »

bamboozled wrote: post #18
gruez wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On what grounds? Most of US is at will employment, so the worst that he's subject to is something like california's WARN act which requires 60 days notice. However, AFAIK the employees are still receiving a paycheck, just that they have nothing to do and are locked out of the company's systems.

I just want to say that this attitude towards employment will likely be part of the eventual downfall of the USA. The reason ? It's too risky to tell your boss the truth so when things are going bad so it's easier just not to say anything, I noticed my American colleagues will often not say anything to "the grand leader", they will maybe even encourage stupidity. Where as when I worked in Europe, that doesn't happen.…

Doubtful. The whole idea is an overgeneralization. Companies in the US fail all the time because of bad bosses, or bad managers. A boss that can’t listen to their employees eventually craters and ends up somewhere they can’t do much damage. Night manager at Arby’s or the local Foodway, for example. It’s not going to bring down society.

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#55

Post by sreevisakh »

midislack wrote: post #48

Quoted post unavailable.

These sorts of incidents would be far more common if bosses shit talked their employees in the public and tanked their brand image in the process in front of their users and future employees. Fortunately, almost everyone else is smart enough to know that it's bad.

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#56

Post by leereeves »

bmitc wrote: post #34
fuckHNtho wrote: post #21

oh come on though, eric was playing for a severance package. If you're going to call out a sensitive ego in public, bring the facts up front.

He and several others apparently did bring facts. Those tweets aren't available now it seems.

Those tweets are still available:

https://twitter.com/EricFrohnhoefer/status/15919683432293662...

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#57

Post by timeon »

quantified wrote: post #47
tracerbulletx wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well if you thought radical transparency and public debate were still on the table it would have been, but this is further proof it is not.

Free speech as in it will be published, and free speech as your CEO will let you correct him in public at any point, are quite different things. This tweeting got into the manager-employee dynamic and that's not normally a free-speech zone.

> not normally a free-speech zone

How about 'cancel culture' zone?

Re: He’s Fired

#58

Post by sidibe »

quantified wrote: post #49
superchroma wrote: post #8

When will elon get that this stuff isn't a cool "haha high five bro nice one" moment, and is instead just a sad display of managerial power, akin to sending a dish back to the kitchen in a restaurant.

It probably is one to his peer group.

As long as he gets the wave of approvers oohing and aahing at each of his tweets, he doesn't care about anything or anyone else. Where have I seen this behavior before? Certain egomaniacs really get addicted to their Twitter fanboys.

Re: He’s Fired

#59

Post by tptacek »

The sad thing is that Musk and his disciples think this makes him look hardcore. Is Musk maybe the most easily-trolled person on Twitter? Parag Agarwal trolled him out of 44 billion dollars.

Re: He’s Fired

#60

Post by dymk »

gruez wrote: post #10
dymk wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Awaiting the lawsuit against him because of the obvious constructive dismissal going on

On what grounds? Most of US is at will employment, so the worst that he's subject to is something like california's WARN act which requires 60 days notice. However, AFAIK the employees are still receiving a paycheck, just that they have nothing to do and are locked out of the company's systems.

That’s not how constructive dismissal works. If your company decides they want to soft-layoff, they can’t just make it miserable and hope people quit. They’ll be sued, and courts will find the departures equivalent to a layoff if enough people leave.
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