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Re: What will be the second order effects widespread AI?

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Post by incomingpain »

rbanffy wrote: post #44
incomingpain wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>A society where basic needs are taken care of, and beyond that–as long as you aren't hurting anyone or infringing on anyone else's liberty–freedom to do what you believe is most valuable. Only plausible due to high energy reactors and magical boxes which fabricate things instantly using only electricity aka replicators.

Not really. We don't need replicators to provide basic needs. Ordinary volume manufacturing can cover that nicely, and more sustainable approaches can be used when we cease to program obsolescence.

>Not really. We don't need replicators to provide basic needs.

The utopia in star trek depends upon all basic needs, all necessities, and all luxuries to be supplied at no resource cost. Anything short of this star trek's utopia does not exist.

Star trek themselves addresses this in many many episodes. It was a key issue in the Voyager -> Kazon conflict.

>Ordinary volume manufacturing can cover that nicely,

This happened 150 years ago. It's what anti-capitalists are fighting against. The industrial revolution happened immediately before karl marx was born. This is what created the possibility for Marx to exist. Yet today for whatever reason the communists fight against this very thing. Boggles the mind.

If I were a communist, the path to communism is full robotics and automation.

>and more sustainable approaches can be used when we cease to program obsolescence.

Yes, a more modern problem of foreign manufacturing sending intentionally poorly designed goods to harm the wealth of our nations. We should be seeing planned obsolescence as a national security risk and set tariffs so high these planned obsolescence stuff goes away.

Re: What will be the second order effects widespread AI?

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Post by ryangittins »

an1sotropy wrote: post #20

For a short time, some kids will boast about their ability to spot a deepfake in some media, but then they will use "deepfake" more generally to say that something (not AI-generated) looks weird or bad. Eventually "deepfake" will come to mean "very fake" or just "fake", and "deep" as a general prefix will start getting used to mean "very" but in a disparaging way.

Interesting take. This reminds me of when people say that hate CGI in movies. What they really mean is they hate bad or noticeable CGI—a huge portion of CGI is stuff we don't even notice, like landscapes or city streets.

Re: What will be the second order effects widespread AI?

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Post by an1sotropy »

mnsc wrote: post #22
an1sotropy wrote: post #20

For a short time, some kids will boast about their ability to spot a deepfake in some media, but then they will use "deepfake" more generally to say that something (not AI-generated) looks weird or bad. Eventually "deepfake" will come to mean "very fake" or just "fake", and "deep" as a general prefix will start getting used to mean "very" but in a disparaging way.

That is truly deepdeep!

I should have seen that coming :)

Re: What will be the second order effects widespread AI?

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Post by thelock85 »

gonzo41 wrote: post #8
mudrockbestgirl wrote: post #6

Big changes in what content we trust and consume online. I predict that all content-driven sites (YouTube, News, Social Media, forums, reviews) will be dominated by AI-generated content in the near future. This content is directly monetizable via ads/followers/points/second-hand-accounts/etc, so it's a great opportunity for people, particularly those in developing countries, to abuse as long as it lasts. So far that'…

>People will be willing to pay for communities that guaranteed to be "human-only" and where content is created by trustworthy sources and trust is quantified and monetized somehow. And then someone will let in an AI and spoil it all.

I could totally see this. Scheming for access to “human data” not just “user data”. It also seems like a lot of people would mostly opt out of AI content for entertainment purposes, and instead seek in-person human community (surely still augmented with AI).

And then the droids will enter.

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Post by is_true »

causi wrote: post #46
is_true wrote: post #14

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I find it hard to believe that google can't solve that query now

It wouldn't be technically hard to do but somebody at Google just doesn't care. I have to begin every navigation command with "take me to the closest-" because if I don't Google will ask me if I want the Pizza Hut that's four miles away or the one that's thirty-eight miles away.

That's more likely.

Re: What will be the second order effects widespread AI?

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Post by cauefcr »

incomingpain wrote: post #51
rbanffy wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. We don't need replicators to provide basic needs. Ordinary volume manufacturing can cover that nicely, and more sustainable approaches can be used when we cease to program obsolescence.

>Not really. We don't need replicators to provide basic needs. The utopia in star trek depends upon all basic needs, all necessities, and all luxuries to be supplied at no resource cost. Anything short of this star trek's utopia does not exist. Star trek themselves addresses this in many many episodes. It was a key issue in the Voyager -> Kazon conflict. >Ordinary volume manufacturing can cover that nicely, This happ…

>If I were a communist, the path to communism is full robotics and automation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Cybersyn

They know, if only the US would not murder and coup every socialist country maybe it'd be solved by now.

Re: What will be the second order effects widespread AI?

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Post by incomingpain »

cauefcr wrote: post #56
incomingpain wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Not really. We don't need replicators to provide basic needs. The utopia in star trek depends upon all basic needs, all necessities, and all luxuries to be supplied at no resource cost. Anything short of this star trek's utopia does not exist. Star trek themselves addresses this in many many episodes. It was a key issue in the Voyager -> Kazon conflict. >Ordinary volume manufacturing can cover that nicely, This happ…

>If I were a communist, the path to communism is full robotics and automation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Cybersyn They know, if only the US would not murder and coup every socialist country maybe it'd be solved by now.

Thanks, never heard of this project before.

I agree with your sentiment of the USA needing to stop leaving their borders unless asked for help.

Overall I do find one this projects greatest successes was breaking a strike kind of not so great. Perhaps things could have been different if said machine were constructed today.

The thing with capitalism... it isn't a system with which was constructed. It derived organically over recorded history as a consequence of how humans operate. It's going to be impractical to replace capitalism.

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Post by 2143 »

mckirk wrote: post #32
jstx1 wrote: post #19

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Which is clearly superior to an object oriented society.

Even just a functioning garbage collection would be a huge step forward in some places.

Rusted garbage will be recycled to make entire new stuff with rust!

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Post by rbanffy »

incomingpain wrote: post #51
rbanffy wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. We don't need replicators to provide basic needs. Ordinary volume manufacturing can cover that nicely, and more sustainable approaches can be used when we cease to program obsolescence.

>Not really. We don't need replicators to provide basic needs. The utopia in star trek depends upon all basic needs, all necessities, and all luxuries to be supplied at no resource cost. Anything short of this star trek's utopia does not exist. Star trek themselves addresses this in many many episodes. It was a key issue in the Voyager -> Kazon conflict. >Ordinary volume manufacturing can cover that nicely, This happ…

> We should be seeing planned obsolescence as a national security risk and set tariffs so high these planned obsolescence stuff goes away.

The concept of antagonistic nations dividing a single planet is one of the things we could get rid off in order to make it easier to build an Utopian society.

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