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Re: India is almost 80% IPv6

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Meanwhile in the US I recently bought a brand new Netgear Nighthawk router and V6 was disabled. To enable it you have to go into “advanced.”

Apparently this is now common. It’ll hold back adoption even more since most people do not change defaults.

Re: India is almost 80% IPv6

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indian isp are not using IPv6 though they seem to assign most users local Nat addresses my guess is looking how cheap internet is in India using real IPv6 addresses would increase internet prices

Can I ask you why? What makes using ipv6 more expensive?

I have no basis for this, but I would have to imagine router tables are significantly larger with IPv6, hence higher costs due increased complexity.

Re: India is almost 80% IPv6

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My story about ipv6 is from a travel. I connected to a friend's wifi. It worked for some time and then a strange thing happened. I was able to google but I was not able to connect to my company's services. I debugged the cause and it looked like the router received ipv6 address but not an ipv4. There was some tornado going around that might something to it. This was the first time I felt like being on the ipv6 networ…

Generally, IPv6-first networks use shared IPv4 addresses for connectivity to legacy servers. Think CG-NAT but slightly more optimised.

I don't know why a tornado would only knock out IPv4, seems to me that the prefix administration for IPv6 should run on the same location as the DHCP administration for IPv4.

I would've switched most of my systems over to IPv6 by now if it wasn't for my workplace using Ubiquity hardware that still lacks IPv6 hardware acceleration, forcing the admins to disable it or face unnecessary network slowdowns. I like to be able to use my password manager and such on their WiFi just in case.

Indian regulation forcing IPv6 availability may lead to limited IPv4 availability in one of the biggest developing economies in the world, which may lead to business reasons for switching over. I can only hope, we've been stuck with IPv4 for way too long.

Re: India is almost 80% IPv6

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post #51

Meanwhile in the US I recently bought a brand new Netgear Nighthawk router and V6 was disabled. To enable it you have to go into “advanced.” Apparently this is now common. It’ll hold back adoption even more since most people do not change defaults.

There are new TP-Link access points that don’t even have the option to enable IPv6

Re: India is almost 80% IPv6

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Nice. Can anyone from India comment? I imagine a lot of this is mobile, what is the v6 like on fixed broadband?

Even the state-run broadband ISP goes as far as to offer DHCP prefix delegation: You can get a globally routable address for all your devices.

Seems to be common with German DSL providers too. It’s just on mobile that you only get a /64

But maybe variable SLAAC will be the solution here

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mishra-6man-variable-...

Re: India is almost 80% IPv6

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because generally it would be a bad idea for the government to force certain technologies upon the private sector, even if in this case it might be fine.

Forcing micro USB and now USB-C on electronic devices has been one of the best ideas by the EU overall. Remember using ten different charging cables? Gone, due to a helpful piece of regulation by the government.

It isn't a good policy and if that is one of the best ideas of the EU then they have failed as a political project.

1. Corporations are exactly the tool we use to work out what trade offs of cost v. standardisation are best. Everyone is going to claim victory for a bureaucratic committee then a few years down the track we'll discover technology moves on and the regulation is force people to make stupid choices. Removing the flexibility to adapt at the forefront of technology is going to turn out to be foolish in hindsight. These devices aren't even 20 years old and the EU has already decided to start fossilising the tech.

2. There is a decent chance that this will corrupt the USB standard itself. We're already seeing the bizarre profusion of naming [0]. If there is an incentive for corporations to create incompatible things that are all named "USB-C" they may well manage it. Calls to mind the OOXML vs ODF format wars.

3. This is a total waste of political attention. I suppose now we know how the EU ended up in such a catastrophic posture with their energy policy. Their best and brightest were back-seat-driving iPhone design. Thank goodness for the Europeans, they may not have reliable power but if they did they won't have to search around for the right cable. And if we need to send phones into the land war, we know what adaptors to send with them!

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#Naming_scheme

Re: India is almost 80% IPv6

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Meanwhile in Italy basically nobody (except Sky and Iliad) offers any support for IPv6. TIM had a very poorly functioning technical trial of native IPv6 12 years ago, and while it still exists (and sucks) it only works on ADSL (not VDSL, 20Mbps ADSL). I guess that carriers have just too many IPv4 to throw around, mobile connections are all NATted with no sign of any future roll-out of IPv6 in sight.

It goes up fast when it starts. In Israel it was like that 4 years ago and now it's green on the map.

Re: India is almost 80% IPv6

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Meanwhile in Italy basically nobody (except Sky and Iliad) offers any support for IPv6. TIM had a very poorly functioning technical trial of native IPv6 12 years ago, and while it still exists (and sucks) it only works on ADSL (not VDSL, 20Mbps ADSL). I guess that carriers have just too many IPv4 to throw around, mobile connections are all NATted with no sign of any future roll-out of IPv6 in sight.

If your ISP doesn't disable ICMP you can get yourself an IPv6 network for free using something like HE's tunnelbroker. This has the tendency to break Netflix/Disney Plus/whatever, though, because they see it as an attempt to change your location.

I use Tunnelbroker to provision IPv6 to some services I run on a VPS provider that hands out a /128 for some obscure reason. It works great if you can configure the tunnel in your router.

The biggest difficulty for home use is to set up DNS in such a way that streaming services don't resolve over IPv6 so you don't get blocked (or, as I did for a while, to just pirate content when they refuse access to the services I pay for; my Jellyfin + *arr setup is often easier to manage than finding the right service to watch my shows on).

Re: India is almost 80% IPv6

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Question to those familiar with IPv6. My company has /24 IPv4 PI blocks. We are not a LIR. Can I request a /48 or larger IPv6 prefix from my sponsor LIR (what is the largest IPv6 prefix that can be obtained this way?) Can such IPv6 prefix (not being a LIR) be further distributed to customers? (e.g. we offer some internet access) - afaik there were some restrictions when not being a LIR. I am not sure what the current…

Can someone enlighten me on the LIR acronym? Google is no help

Local Internet Registries

Solved it googling "lir ripe"

Re: India is almost 80% IPv6

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Nice. Can anyone from India comment? I imagine a lot of this is mobile, what is the v6 like on fixed broadband?

My ISP hands out ipv6, but with no real support. Prefix delegation does not work and tech support is clueless...

My ISP in Ontario, Canada, has full ipv6 sorry for their cable customers, but tech support is clueless about it still. I had issues with ipv4 connectivity once and they struggled to understand that ipv6 was working perfectly and it was strictly v4 not working at all
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