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Israeli rules say West Bank visitors must declare love interest

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Re: Israeli rules say West Bank visitors must declare love interest

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Post by markvdb »

1337shadow wrote: post #4
forinti wrote: post #3

You can't now ignore that Israel is the state. And if that is the case, can they treat their citizens like this? How is it different from apartheid?

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> How is that apartheid??

This is not a perfect analogue to the racist policies of the South African government 1948-1990, but it's not difficult to spot similarities. This certainly looks discriminatory towards all non-Israelis. And have you noticed how the artificial construct of South African "home lands" with limited autonomy look similar to the Palestinian Authority?

>It's just a declaration, pretty much like those you have to do when you want to enter the US, except with different criteria.

One explicit difference being that this is not about people entering Israel. It's about people entering those parts of the Israeli occupied areas with limited self governance through the Palestinian Authority. These people are supposed to travel over land through the Jordan border crossing only. The article even mentions quite explicitly that only in exceptional cases shall the people concerned be allowed to use Ben Gurion airport.

> Are you against Israel being a sovereign state perhaps?

Not at all. I do realise the situation in and around Israel is not simple. That doesn't mean one can't call discrimination when one notices it though...

Re: Israeli rules say West Bank visitors must declare love interest

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Post by ReptileMan »

dis-sys wrote: post #42
dumpsterfire583 wrote: post #34

Not that what the rules actually say matters to anyone here, but you can read the text for yourself (the article even links to them): "A foreigner married to a resident of the Area, or forming a couple with one, must proceed to make arrangements according to Part 4 of this procedure before arriving at the Area. If the relationship starts after the foreigner arrived at the Area, then the authorized COGAT official must…

> In short, if you become engaged, married, or cohabiting, then yes you may not qualify anymore for the visa you entered under (and need a different permit), and have to report that within 30 days. Who gives Israel the rights to issue such visas in the first place? US made tanks and missiles? Why should Palestinians apply Israeli visas to enter and stay in Palestinian land?

Because they lost three wars and three chances of peace. Vae Victis.

They could have settled for much more generous conditions in 1948 ot 1967

Re: Israeli rules say West Bank visitors must declare love interest

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Post by diego_moita »

travis_brooks wrote: post #26
refurb wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I took a trip to Canada, immigration asked the guy ahead of me where he was staying and he said “with my girlfriend” and subsequently got grilled for 10 min about the details of his relationship. And if he had refused to answer he would have been denied entry.

Given the Canadian government's over the top reaction to the trucker protesters earlier this year I'm not at all surprised to hear they behave like the oppressive Israelis when dealing with foreign travelers. Didn't used to be this way, even a few years ago.

The only problem with the government's reaction to the honkers was that it took too long.

Remember Sir John Diefenbaker's: freedom of speech is the right to say whatever you want, it is not the right to do whatever you want.

The moment those honkers started interfering with the tranquility, safety and professional activities of other people they were no longer doing free speech, they were doing vandalism and terrorism. BTW, it was terrorism supported by foreigners (in the US).

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Post by panick21_ »

golergka wrote: post #39
bestouff wrote: post #20

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Sounds exactly like Putin about ukrainians.

Have ukranians conducted a terror campaign against Russian citizens, kidnapping, torturing and killing innocent civilians, with widespread popular support behind the killings?

Have the russian driven large parts of the population away and inflicted 100x more casualties on the ukranians.

Israel literally bombs them 100-1000 more and with lots of popular support and immigration takes ever more land and water away.

But Im sure the glorified fireworks that the Israelis claim are nuclear ICBM are far worse then the amarican fighter aircraft.

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Post by davidy123 »

travis_brooks wrote: post #26
refurb wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I took a trip to Canada, immigration asked the guy ahead of me where he was staying and he said “with my girlfriend” and subsequently got grilled for 10 min about the details of his relationship. And if he had refused to answer he would have been denied entry.

Given the Canadian government's over the top reaction to the trucker protesters earlier this year I'm not at all surprised to hear they behave like the oppressive Israelis when dealing with foreign travelers. Didn't used to be this way, even a few years ago.

As a Canadian, who lives near one of the main sites, it was not over the top. The "truckers" (in reality, it was some truckers, and a lot of yahoos looking for a good time or attention) were tolerated for quite a while doing quite a few things that went well beyond any reasonable protest, were in fact blatently illegal, easily amounted to occupying key infrastructure that the vast majority of Canadians did not want them to occupy, creating many hazards with constant intended-only-for-emergency-use air horns, diesel fumes, and intimidation. They substantially shut down commerce and cross-border traffic for days and weeks. They even posted a manifesto demanding the government step down, with no basis in law or popular support.

Ironically, it was the mainstream media, the legends in their own minds streamers, and a few select looking-for-attention US channels that made it seem like they had a lot of popular support (through in-crowd shots, amplifying poorly substantiated claims, etc), where at best they have pockets of support.

Oh, and spend more than 30 seconds talking to them, and you'll see how quickly their ideas go to poorly researched conspiracy theories.

Re: Israeli rules say West Bank visitors must declare love interest

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Post by frobishercresc »

nailer wrote: post #27
subliminalpanda wrote: post #5

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It is apartheid.

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Palestine is occupied Israeli land and Israel is building settlements there. Israel only keeps Palestine de jure 'external' due to international pressure, with the extra advantage of not having to give Palestians the same rights as Israelis (i.e. Apartheid). Claiming it is not apartheid based on some territorial technicality is disingenious.

When Palestine gets full sovereign statehood maybe then we can watch evangelical politicans perspectives on far-right Christian Youtube channels.

Re: Israeli rules say West Bank visitors must declare love interest

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Post by panick21_ »

golergka wrote: post #40
nxmnxm99 wrote: post #21

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> European invaders Most of Israeli Jews are of middle eastern origin. Their ancestors have never been to Europe, and they have been forced to flee their homes and go to Israel because of persecution by Muslim Arabs across the middle east — the same genocidal racism that stands behind current conflict. If you're so misinformed about the region that you think israelis are “European”, please refrain from commenting on…

Jews lived in these places for 1000 of years and it just so happen that they had to leave those countries at the same time Zionism was marching forward.

Also, jews of Iraq have no more claim to land in Palastine then Jews of Galacia.

Re: Israeli rules say West Bank visitors must declare love interest

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Post by tyingq »

SnowHill9902 wrote: post #56

Perfectly reasonable for a zone which has been at war for decades, and a country which has avoided daily suicide attacks by placing checkpoints and strict borders. This is another undesirable but necessary step in that direction.

I'm at the opposite end, where it's hard to be outraged about a new rule like this for a different reason. It's a place where a state sniper openly murders a journalist and nothing happens. I had already assumed this kind of thing was in place.
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