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Israeli rules say West Bank visitors must declare love interest

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Re: Israeli rules say West Bank visitors must declare love interest

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it is funny how american "ally"ness with israel somehow manages to put a cover on the "western" democracy values and "freedoms".... i am pretty sure the moment israel-usa relations turn sour, usa would wake up to the "inhuman treatment" and "apartheid".... right now its all fair and square and under the approval of American interests so its all fine. even EU hasn't had that "woke" moment with Palestinian yet, most pr…

The relationship has been pretty sour since Netanyahu for a lot of Americans. He openly meddled in internal US politics, like Putin but with less gaslighting.

apparently not sour enough

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like it or not, more than 60% of all countries in the world recognize the State of Palestine as a full sovereignty state. It is a fact, not something remain to be negotiated.

Recognition from those countries is a fact. Recognition from more countries depends on peace talks. I’m sure you understand this and we don’t need to explain it.

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Not that what the rules actually say matters to anyone here, but you can read the text for yourself (the article even links to them):

"A foreigner married to a resident of the Area, or forming a couple with one, must proceed to make arrangements according to Part 4 of this procedure before arriving at the Area. If the relationship starts after the foreigner arrived at the Area, then the authorized COGAT official must be informed in writing (at a special e-mail address) within 30 days of the relationship's start. At the same time, an application must be submitted to the Palestinian Authority for formalizing the status in accordance with Part 4 of this procedure. For the purpose, the "starting date of the relationship" shall be considered the day of the engagement ceremony, of the wedding, or of the start of cohabitation – whichever occurs first."

"Under this procedure, entry and resident permits for the Area are divided into various categories. Permits under Part 2 of this procedure are intended for a short visit in the Area, lasting no more than three months, whereas permits under Part 3 of the procedure are resident permits issued for various specific purposes in accordance with the provisions of this section. Part 4 of this procedure refers to applications for formalizing status in the Area and to the possibility of receiving permits for foreign spouses of the Area's residents to reside together with their Palestinian spouses (i.e. spousal permits) when an application that the foreign spouse's status be formalized has been submitted by the Palestinian Authority but rejected."

In short, if you become engaged, married, or cohabiting, then yes you may not qualify anymore for the visa you entered under (and need a different permit), and have to report that within 30 days.

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You seem to have missed the point completely so let me point it out for you (no pun intended). > demand on foreigners to inform the Israeli authorities within 30 days of starting a relationship with a Palestinian ID holder. Most countries grill people who come on a touristic visa to stay with their SOs simply because there is usually a sperate visa scheme for that purpose. The issue here is that the policy only targe…

> the policy only targets part of the population No it doesn’t. Palestinians are outside Israel. It targets specific foreigners, not Arabs or Christians or anyone else.

The mental gymnastics. Oof

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it is funny how american "ally"ness with israel somehow manages to put a cover on the "western" democracy values and "freedoms".... i am pretty sure the moment israel-usa relations turn sour, usa would wake up to the "inhuman treatment" and "apartheid".... right now its all fair and square and under the approval of American interests so its all fine. even EU hasn't had that "woke" moment with Palestinian yet, most pr…

I mean the answer is pretty clear even for Europe. With ISIS committing acts of terror in Europe, it helps to have a country in the Middle East as an ally.

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like it or not, more than 60% of all countries in the world recognize the State of Palestine as a full sovereignty state. It is a fact, not something remain to be negotiated.

Recognition from those countries is a fact. Recognition from more countries depends on peace talks. I’m sure you understand this and we don’t need to explain it.

It depends on Israel to show genuine willingness to respect the legitimate rights of those Palestinians and to comply with UN resolutions.

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You seem to have missed the point completely so let me point it out for you (no pun intended). > demand on foreigners to inform the Israeli authorities within 30 days of starting a relationship with a Palestinian ID holder. Most countries grill people who come on a touristic visa to stay with their SOs simply because there is usually a sperate visa scheme for that purpose. The issue here is that the policy only targe…

> the policy only targets part of the population No it doesn’t. Palestinians are outside Israel. It targets specific foreigners, not Arabs or Christians or anyone else.

Palestinians as foreigners ? Ok, then, thanks ! You just recognized Palestine as a country … ( pro-Israel people can’t have it both ways : denying Palestinian statehood or implying it depending on the issue being discussed…)

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Sounds exactly like Putin about ukrainians.

Have ukranians conducted a terror campaign against Russian citizens, kidnapping, torturing and killing innocent civilians, with widespread popular support behind the killings?

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> European invaders

Most of Israeli Jews are of middle eastern origin. Their ancestors have never been to Europe, and they have been forced to flee their homes and go to Israel because of persecution by Muslim Arabs across the middle east — the same genocidal racism that stands behind current conflict.

If you're so misinformed about the region that you think israelis are “European”, please refrain from commenting on the topic.

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