The same contract (2+4) that excludes any further reparations is also the contract that says that reunified Germany will not make territorial claims to Pommerania and Silesia.
I'm not sure if Poland has the high ground in this.
Poland plans to seek $1.3T in reparations from Germany for WWII
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Re: Poland plans to seek $1.3T in reparations from Germany for WWII
#52The Polish government is being pulled in a few interesting directions. For instance, as of 20 Sep, 2021: Poland must pay a daily penalty of €500,000 ($585,550) for ignoring a previous order from the European Union’s top court to cease operations at the Turow lignite mine, with its CEO slamming the fine as “bizarre”. On Monday, the EU’s Court of Justice (CJEU) confirmed it was enforcing the financial penalty against W…
> The Polish government is being pulled in a few interesting directions. For instance, as of 20 Sep, 2021: > Poland must pay a daily penalty of €500,000 ($585,550) for ignoring a previous order from the European Union’s top court to cease operations at the Turow lignite mine, with its CEO slamming the fine as “bizarre”. > On Monday, the EU’s Court of Justice (CJEU) confirmed it was enforcing the financial penalty aga…
Did you need to quote the whole post to say that?
Re: Poland plans to seek $1.3T in reparations from Germany for WWII
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The Polish government is being pulled in a few interesting directions. For instance, as of 20 Sep, 2021: > Poland must pay a daily penalty of €500,000 ($585,550) for ignoring a previous order from the European Union’s top court to cease operations at the Turow lignite mine, with its CEO slamming the fine as “bizarre”. > On Monday, the EU’s Court of Justice (CJEU) confirmed it was enforcing the financial penalty aga…
Seems like maybe that section of the border was specifically carved out to include the mine maybe?
When eastern part of Germany was annexed to Poland they used the Oder-Neisse line which run along 2 rivers hence this border. If it was still Germany the border would still make sense.
Re: Poland plans to seek $1.3T in reparations from Germany for WWII
#54The Polish government is being pulled in a few interesting directions. For instance, as of 20 Sep, 2021: Poland must pay a daily penalty of €500,000 ($585,550) for ignoring a previous order from the European Union’s top court to cease operations at the Turow lignite mine, with its CEO slamming the fine as “bizarre”. On Monday, the EU’s Court of Justice (CJEU) confirmed it was enforcing the financial penalty against W…
That's already resolved
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/czech-polish-leaders-re...
Whole problem was that "big hole" is sucking water from immediate surroundings and turning it into desert, not spoiling the water. Part of the agreement is construction of wall which will prevent that.
There are disputes here and there, but I would not use world "hated"
Re: Poland plans to seek $1.3T in reparations from Germany for WWII
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Remember when France paid even more in 1815 and 1871 and didn't went on a genocidal rampage on their neighbors? I don't know that I'd say that, like I who to blame for WWI is a very contentious subject and ultimately I'd say that the blame does rest on the German leaders, including the Kasier and German General Staff, but to pretend France has no culpability is a little disingenuous. I'd say that WWI was pretty muc…
the germans are absolutely not responsible for ww1 at all, it was a war between austria-hungary and serbia that russia entered into. it was a chain reaction of treaties. the only one germany 100% caused unneeded trouble for was belgium. As for both world wars, france has a habit of pushing germany to fight because they get to arrogant. Furthermore france actually did go on a genocidal bent right after ww2 in algeria,…
> france has a habit of pushing germany to fight because they get to arrogant.
Ah yes, France pushing Germany to fight by... getting declared war on in 1914, and flashing that lewd Danzig in 1939. Poor Germany, how could she resist.
Re: Poland plans to seek $1.3T in reparations from Germany for WWII
#56Germany might want some change from the land they ceded to Poland.
I wonder how much that land is valued at? Perhaps Poland owes Germany some Marks/Zloties?
Re: Poland plans to seek $1.3T in reparations from Germany for WWII
#57Germany might want some change from the land they ceded to Poland.
That would open another can of worms, though. Different issue altogether. One thing is that Poland had nothing to say in this (Yalta Conference), two is that Germany started that war in the first place, and three that Poland was forced to ceed a lot of land, too, cities of which weren't as damaged as the grandfathered German ones.
Not that I defend that government, but let's stay coherently on the topic.
Re: Poland plans to seek $1.3T in reparations from Germany for WWII
#58I would not read into it much more than international policy for internal propaganda. They know it's not gonna succeed. Why do they come up with this right now? Their poll ratings are slipping, following Odra river ecological disaster and huge inflation - and these are only their latest screwups. Many social groups traditionally in favor of PiS are becoming mad at the government. They have their "iron electorate" tha…
I guess every political party has a reliable, ready-made distraction for their mistakes. In India the classic distraction is Pakistan. Why are you complaining about potholes on the street outside when our soldiers are fighting on the Siachen glacier? You don't see them complaining!
I thought it couldn't get dumber than that but the Polish version seems worse.
Re: Poland plans to seek $1.3T in reparations from Germany for WWII
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The last payment of the indemnity was paid in early September 1873 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_indemnity Not sure you're comparing apples with apples here.
The French indemnity was $342B in 2011 dollars, according to Wikipedia. The Versailles reparations were formally $389B in 2011 dollars, but apparently the way the treaty was structured, only $147B were actually expected to be paid. The difference was that the French paid promptly, and the Germans did not.
The Germans (if I remember my 8th grade history class correctly) printed money to be able to afford the reparations - which led to the hyperinflation and famous pictures of folks with literal wheel-barrows full of Marks going to buy basics like bread and newspaper.
The inability to afford the reparations outright, and the "solution" which led to hyperinfaltion is part of the catalyst that allowed extreme resentment over handling of the treaty, and ultimately the rise of fascism.
Re: Poland plans to seek $1.3T in reparations from Germany for WWII
#60The Polish government is being pulled in a few interesting directions. For instance, as of 20 Sep, 2021: Poland must pay a daily penalty of €500,000 ($585,550) for ignoring a previous order from the European Union’s top court to cease operations at the Turow lignite mine, with its CEO slamming the fine as “bizarre”. On Monday, the EU’s Court of Justice (CJEU) confirmed it was enforcing the financial penalty against W…
> Poland is widely hated by its neighbors I'd say, "the current right-wing government is widely hated by most of its citizens." The mine case was just one of the many cases when they showed their glaring incompetence. I mean, they could have solved the problem a long time ago but by their arrogance decided to ignore it, then the case went to court and they had to do it anyway and pay a nice sum of money. Everybody is…
If it was so widely hated how come it got reelected?