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EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by vesinisa »

randomhodler84 wrote: post #38
Gareth321 wrote: post #2

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

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Lots of the Apple walled garden stuff is certainly not about security but about artificially limiting competition. And I am sure you can continue to use e.g. Apple Safari browser. But people who want to use the device they already paid for to its full capability without artificial after-market limitations should be able to do so.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by simiones »

bigDinosaur wrote: post #44
randomhodler84 wrote: post #38

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* User any browser and browser engine and choose to make it default You already can on e.g. iOS but you get a slow implementation if you use your own engine. Does this account for that?

No you can't. iOS doesn't allow apps that compile or interpret code at runtime.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by bigDinosaur »

Oarch wrote: post #19
ls15 wrote: post #8

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> What if Apple claims implementing required feature X will take more than 6 months? Then that will increase the implementation cost by at least (edit: up to ) 10% of their global revenue.

Up to 10%* Assuming they won't go with the maximum amount early on.

Jumping to such colossal fines is probably an excellent way to annoy the US, too, and given the current security/economic/political/world/universe situation I'd wager that the US would lean heavily on the EU to reach some kind of compromise. These companies aren't just big themselves, they also have the most powerful country on the planet willing to exert pressure to make them stay powerful. I'd be very surprised if Apple/Google/etc. ever paid 20% of global revenue even if they blatantly violate much of what the EU wants.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by IshKebab »

This goes way further than I think anyone ever expected. Hopefully it works out well but some of these seem quite impractical. E.g. I'm curious if they're really going to implement end-to-end encrypted video calls between iMessage and Whatsapp users. Yes this is really required! Possibly even group video calls but the wording for that makes no sense so who knows. They have 4 years to implement it.

I feel like they could have gone a lot further to ban tivoising / locking devices too.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by simiones »

randomhodler84 wrote: post #38
Gareth321 wrote: post #2

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

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> Use a spyware voice assistant.

You already have Siri for that. All voice assistants are spyware.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by vesinisa »

ben_w wrote: post #50
RedShift1 wrote: post #39

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Then just keep using the Apple store and Apple pay.

That's great until someone has an app I need and chooses to only make it available on a different store. I'm not legally trained, so I hope they've thought of this and also have rules for these 3rd party app stores.

Well if the app is on a different store you wouldn't be able to currently install it all, right? So you have only expanded your options and it's up to you if you choose to exercise them or not.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by iainmerrick »

ben_w wrote: post #50
RedShift1 wrote: post #39

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Then just keep using the Apple store and Apple pay.

That's great until someone has an app I need and chooses to only make it available on a different store. I'm not legally trained, so I hope they've thought of this and also have rules for these 3rd party app stores.

That’s similar to the situation with Android and iOS right now. In principle, there could be an app you need but can’t use because it’s only on Android and you have an iPhone.

If you like the App Store and want to continue using it, you’ll be fine unless it becomes less popular and loses some important apps. That could happen but seems unlikely in the near term.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by ilikehurdles »

randomhodler84 wrote: post #38
Gareth321 wrote: post #2

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

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You can do all of this on MacOS and most (nearly all?) people still manage to stay safe.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by bloppe »

fbn79 wrote: post #25
DandyDev wrote: post #12

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Can you explain why this is a bad thing?

This bring more choiche power to the final user. But are final users always in position to make such choiches? Do the final user always have the competence? If you open the app store walled gardens good things can enter, but even bad things. Today if you buy an iPhone to you son you sure that apps are reviewed by Apple. With this ACT, nor Apple, nor other provider can give you this certainty of app moderation.

I'm always amazed how people can be so receptive to this argument. I personally find it incredibly insulting that Nanny Apple tells me I don't know what's good for me; that they know what's good for me and it also happens to be incredibly lucrative for them and absolutely devastating for all would-be competition. Don't let them treat you like a child.

Speaking of children, I think you A) massively overestimate the security that Apple's current review process provides (it's really just an automated virus scanner, and not a very good one at that; nobody actually reviews the apps by hand) and B) assume for some reason that the EU would cavalierly conflate the rights of children with the rights of adults. There are tons of regulations that treat the two groups quite differently, and allowing parents to control the freedoms of their own children would not be incompatible with this regulation.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by pdpi »

randomhodler84 wrote: post #38
Gareth321 wrote: post #2

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

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> Use an unsupported browser full of RCE vulns

While I sympathise with your overall sentiment, I have no reason to believe Firefox or Chrome would have any more RCE vulns than Safari does, and their respective engines not being deeply integrated with the OS potentially means one less vector for a hypothetical RCE to escalate privileges.

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