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EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by MarkMc »

So when I attempt to install the Amazon play store on my iPhone, will I get the following scary message?

"WARNING: You are about to install non-approved software which may be malicious or a virus. If this software causes damage to your iPhone we will not fix your device, even if it is still under warranty. Are you really sure you want to continue?"

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by ethbr0 »

dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #15
mehdix wrote: post #3

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Is this potentially breaking apple's walled garden? I wonder wether they will comply at all. Besides, I'm glad to see interoperability mentioned there, perhaps one day we could text from one messenger to another one without being held back by the owner.

> I wonder wether they will comply at all. Of course they will try not to. They will do everything to prolong the appeal process and so on - it's unthinkable they would allow any other app store on their devices, that's the very core of their identity - to be as closed and unified as possible. I don't believe the EU has enough power to fight Apple. I'll believe it when I see the first iPhone with an USB-C charger.

The other side of the coin is "Does Apple have enough brand goodwill to spend it on X years of 'Apple fights EU to keep monopoly' news articles?"

Kind of hard to claim you're all unicorns and rainbows, when you're actively involved in a court case to defend anti-user practices...

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by joshsyn »

ls15 wrote: post #10
djbebs wrote: post #7

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For these companies. As a user, I think that these are great changes.

Not really, where is the creative freedom? Is anyone being held hostage to choosing a different phone if it doesn't allow their favourite track to be played?

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by bigDinosaur »

randomhodler84 wrote: post #38
Gareth321 wrote: post #2

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

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* User any browser and browser engine and choose to make it default

You already can on e.g. iOS but you get a slow implementation if you use your own engine. Does this account for that?

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by Zealotux »

randomhodler84 wrote: post #38
Gareth321 wrote: post #2

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

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Can confirm this, I once installed a package on my Linux machine that wasn't approved by a multi-billion dollar company, my computer exploded.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by joshsyn »

Gareth321 wrote: post #22
exabrial wrote: post #18

These regulations are precisely targeted to harm these monopolies, but ultimately they will also harm the small players trying to get into the market because of the huge compliance risk. So it is a double edged sword as we’ve seen this play out before. The solution is to prevent monopolies forming in the first place and break them up quickly. And God sakes, stop approving mega mergers (facebook and Instagram? Lol. Go…

>they will also harm the small players trying to get into the market because of the huge compliance risk. You will be pleased to hear that the legislation has a floor defined for "Gatekeepers" as only those with a fair market valuation over €75 billion.

Good to hear. Still too much complexity around laws and regulations, its easier to live in a cave.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by skywal_l »

randomhodler84 wrote: post #38
Gareth321 wrote: post #2

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

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But you still can stick to apple walled garden if you want to. I am not sure what you are complaining about.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by simion314 »

fbn79 wrote: post #25
DandyDev wrote: post #12

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Can you explain why this is a bad thing?

This bring more choiche power to the final user. But are final users always in position to make such choiches? Do the final user always have the competence? If you open the app store walled gardens good things can enter, but even bad things. Today if you buy an iPhone to you son you sure that apps are reviewed by Apple. With this ACT, nor Apple, nor other provider can give you this certainty of app moderation.

Apple can use their GIANT pile of cash to FUD the users into leaving Apple to think for them, also Apple could actually improve their security by using safer languages and actually collaborating with security people to close vulnerabilities faster. So basically if Apple really cares for security they can put money into it. Someone commented above that his native language support in Siri is garbage and Apple did not care to improve because theree was no competition, now if there will be competition you will get better software.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by PeterisP »

randomhodler84 wrote: post #38
Gareth321 wrote: post #2

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

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> Buy another phone if you wanna mess about.

Exactly, I should be able to buy another iPhone and mess about on it.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by ben_w »

RedShift1 wrote: post #39
randomhodler84 wrote: post #38

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Then just keep using the Apple store and Apple pay.

That's great until someone has an app I need and chooses to only make it available on a different store.

I'm not legally trained, so I hope they've thought of this and also have rules for these 3rd party app stores.

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