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Re: Ask HN: Is there a site popular with Gen Z where users can write HTML and CSS?

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Post by kixiQu »

hkt wrote: post #9
chunk_waffle wrote: post #8

https://neocities.org/ sounds like it might be what you're looking for

Is it popular with zoomers? I thought it was more of a millennial nostalgia thing personally.

One thing that's tricky here is that "popular" has been redefined just because so many more young people use the internet than did before -- so you have to decide whether you're thinking "popular on the scale of the number of millennials who learned CSS from neopets customization" or "popular on the scale of roblox".

That said, of the people I see disclosing age they're typically under 26.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a site popular with Gen Z where users can write HTML and CSS?

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Post by MatthiasPortzel »

danielvaughn wrote: post #36

Are there any GenZ people on here that can provide some illumination? How'd you get into coding?

Khan Academy has some great CS tutorials, but they also have a feed of popular programs created by users. (They have an editor that lets you write and view JS side-by-side.)

I learned programming by looking at the code of programs in that feed and by making my own projects to be voted on by others. For a couple of years that was my social media, talking to other users on there, tracking what types of programs got votes, trying to circumvent Khan Academy’s security restrictions, etc. I ended up making one of the most popular programs on the website, before I started moving on to more “real world” coding.

KA’s hot list is still live and there are definitely gen Z (and below) on there making programs. I would be happy to share more if you’re interested.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a site popular with Gen Z where users can write HTML and CSS?

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Post by danielvaughn »

zoomerzoomin wrote: post #50
danielvaughn wrote: post #36

Are there any GenZ people on here that can provide some illumination? How'd you get into coding?

Just made an account to reply, I usually lurk. I was born in 2000, and I think my experience is going to vastly differ from GenZ kids born even a couple of years after me (say > ~2003). When I was growing up Facebook was new, people would be surprised if I (as a kid) didn't have facebook or if my parents didn't have one. My parents didn't let me have one anyway. I spent time playing flash games, googling "how to hack…

Yep you answered the question.

I was born in 84. Incidentally, you and I probably learned how to code around the same time. My first exposure to it was right out of college, in 2009. But I didn't really learn it until around 2011/2012, and I've been doing it professionally since about 2013 or so. I hear what you're saying; I agree that the centralized internet isn't great for creativity. Though having access to codecademy, lynda, and a few others was super cool. Trying to learn coding without them was fairly difficult.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a site popular with Gen Z where users can write HTML and CSS?

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Post by alephaleph »

People have suggested glitch and neocities, which are probably the closest to what you’re describing, but I’d like to add a few more that are close to but not quite what you’re asking about:

Carrd is ubiquitous among a certain kind of zoomer, and while it’s more of a no code tool, I think it’s likely to be a gateway into web design for many, and probably the closest analogy to Tumblr customization Gen Z has.

And this is a bit farther afield but if you look at the popular stuff on Scratch you get the sense that a lot of young children are using it creatively, and that it will be a huge gateway into the industry in the future.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a site popular with Gen Z where users can write HTML and CSS?

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Post by lolinder »

Graziano_M wrote: post #48
andai wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can anyone suggest redstone resources? I tried to learn computer architecture, logic gates etc but found it overwhelming, maybe making a simple cpu in redstone would be more approachable.

The nand2tetris course is a better idea than doing it in redstone. A lot of redstone logic relies on strange bugs in Minecraft, so you'd quickly have to learn and memorize these quirks instead of the fundamentals. You can also try playing nandgame.com.

This is less true than it once was. Most of the bug exploits now actually have built-in components that are used instead (observers being the big one).

I don't think that Minecraft is a good choice for actually learning computer engineering, because the physics of Minecraft are very different than real physics. But with modern redstone, I think it could be a really approachable way to understanding the kind of thinking that goes into building a processor.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a site popular with Gen Z where users can write HTML and CSS?

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Post by anildash »

fragmede wrote: post #42
anildash wrote: post #23

Yes. We see lots of this on Glitch. From remixes of Heardle (the "name that tune" remix of Wordle) to more advanced apps that use Spotify's API to track how many streams different kpop groups are getting, to silly meme sites and personal pages, there are hundreds of thousands of apps and sites being built by Gen Z. It's an undersung trend because we (intentionally) don't have an algorithmic feed to amplify them into…

> we (intentionally) don't have an algorithmic feed to amplify them into influencers I’m curious why not. That’s always something that I’ve found is missing on glitch and just seems like something you forgot to implement. I want to see what’s popular, and more importantly, I want to give credit where credit is due - to their creators. That some become popular is just one of those things.

We’re not averse to the concept, but didn’t want to introduce a feature like that which has so much community impact when our resources for moderating the community were limited. We since launched playlists for sharing apps, and will be building onto that for more discovery features in the future. The short answer is, there are a lot of externalities to consider when launching social features like this, so we took our time on purpose.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a site popular with Gen Z where users can write HTML and CSS?

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Post by romanhn »

f0e4c2f7 wrote: post #2

https://replit.com/

+1 to Replit. My 12yo has been doing some cool things with it. Started with basic HTML, JS and CSS, then progressed to backend Node.js/Express. They even have a basic key-value database. It was really neat to sit down with him and explain how websites handle authentication (and then help him do it).

Re: Ask HN: Is there a site popular with Gen Z where users can write HTML and CSS?

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Post by nightpool »

alephaleph wrote: post #55

People have suggested glitch and neocities, which are probably the closest to what you’re describing, but I’d like to add a few more that are close to but not quite what you’re asking about: Carrd is ubiquitous among a certain kind of zoomer, and while it’s more of a no code tool, I think it’s likely to be a gateway into web design for many, and probably the closest analogy to Tumblr customization Gen Z has. And this…

Haha, not just Gen Z! Scratch was one of my first ever programming languages, 14 years ago.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a site popular with Gen Z where users can write HTML and CSS?

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Post by kixiQu »

mattwad wrote: post #31

All my friends built customized MySpace pages back in the day, but none of them are coders now. It gave you just enough tools to make a really interesting profile, but you would quickly hit a ceiling. During the same period, I was learning HTML using Dreamweaver and Arachnophilia (a combination of WYSIWYG and IDE). So I disagree w/the premise, even if there may have been some people that kept going, I doubt that it w…

https://www.gamedeveloper.com/design/how-i-neopets-i-has-inf... "Large" is probably unmeasurable, but the number of women especially who started development with something like customization CSS is larger than you might think.
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