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Re: Ask HN: Is there a site popular with Gen Z where users can write HTML and CSS?

#21
Having a lay-accessible domain that rewards tinkering and provides a path into a related professional domain is to a large extent an artifact of an immature technology. That was a confluence of factors at a place in time, not a natural link between youth and coding.

The web is more mature now for better and for worse. Professionally made commercial platforms are plentiful and varied and likely to meet most users needs. Barriers to entry are also higher for related reasons.

It's probably disappointing to see the path so many of us took closing up behind us, but to some extent is a normal process for a maturing profession. There aren't really accessible DIY paths to auto mechanic, aviator, architect, or lawyer either, though there once were.

We're not fully there yet, and the low startup costs of code will always probably leave a little more room in programming than in other fields for dedicated amateurs. But still, it's not inevitable that this exists, nor is it an anomalous failure if it doesn't.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a site popular with Gen Z where users can write HTML and CSS?

#23
Yes. We see lots of this on Glitch. From remixes of Heardle (the "name that tune" remix of Wordle) to more advanced apps that use Spotify's API to track how many streams different kpop groups are getting, to silly meme sites and personal pages, there are hundreds of thousands of apps and sites being built by Gen Z. It's an undersung trend because we (intentionally) don't have an algorithmic feed to amplify them into influencers that other media can consume, but there is absolutely a renaissance of the creative, personal web going on amongst Gen Z that rivals anything Gen X or Millennials did on the platforms of their day.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a site popular with Gen Z where users can write HTML and CSS?

#24
The apps my zoomers use don't allow the kind of profile customisation that would require them to experiment with HTML and CSS.

Moreover, what passes as "content creation" on platforms like TikTok or Instagram is constrained in ways that make HTML and CSS absolutely irrelevant (reuse video, add filter, add text, etc. all with the built-in tools).

Re: Ask HN: Is there a site popular with Gen Z where users can write HTML and CSS?

#25

Another fun but short trick you can use is to show them how to edit html of websites. I showed my SO's daughter this and have never seen her so engaged in HTML. I didn't expect anything to come out of it, the goal was just to prank people. But it might be all it takes to push a young person over the edge and get them on the path to more learning.

The Inspect Element -> Edit text pipeline is a powerful one.

In general however, kids (let's be fair - people in general) aren't forced to learn HTML to make a "presence" on the internet anymore - you can do quite effectively just via the various platforms.

Often the "why" you're doing something is unrelated to what you actually learn - so as others have said Minecraft et al may be more of a "gateway drug" than Geocities was.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a site popular with Gen Z where users can write HTML and CSS?

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post #4

https://glitch.com/ is kind of like this. Back in the 90s, however, things were a lot more decentralized. Now people make something in Minecraft or make a video for TikTok when they want to have a little creative expression. Creativity has been co-opted by corps.

> Creativity has been co-opted by corps. GeoCities was a "corp" that was eventually purchased by Yahoo for >$3B. That the new corps provide creativity through a non-HTML means doesn't make them more corp-y.

There is a big difference between a host (GeoCities) and a platform with network effects (TikTok). In the 90's, you could use GeoCities, or use any other host and be on a level playing field. Today, if you don't use TikTok (or YouTube), no one will see your content.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a site popular with Gen Z where users can write HTML and CSS?

#28
roblox.com seems popular with children:

"Roblox is an online game platform and game creation system . . . that allows users to program games and play games created by other users."

In some ways it is surprising and disappointing that HTML and CSS would be still significant to "web development" in that Justin Hall's call to arms "HTML is easy as hell"[0] was written nearly 30 years ago. The cycle promoted there is non-centralized, noncommercial and amazingly simple.

0. http://www.links.net/webpub/

Re: Ask HN: Is there a site popular with Gen Z where users can write HTML and CSS?

#30
post #4

https://glitch.com/ is kind of like this. Back in the 90s, however, things were a lot more decentralized. Now people make something in Minecraft or make a video for TikTok when they want to have a little creative expression. Creativity has been co-opted by corps.

> Creativity has been co-opted by corps. GeoCities was a "corp" that was eventually purchased by Yahoo for >$3B. That the new corps provide creativity through a non-HTML means doesn't make them more corp-y.

More importantly the "Creativity" is expressed in different ways now - in the 90s if you wanted to make a "splash" you learned HTML; today you might learn video editing toolchains to post in-joke videos to Youtube or something.

Creativity finds a way - but the companies continue to make it simpler so you do NOT require or have to learn specialized domain knowledge to express what you want to.

A similar process happened with cars; the original automobiles needed even the driver to be relatively well-versed in how they worked (or have mechanics on call at basically all times) to now where they'll run 100k miles with very basic maintenance.

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