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Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by older »

vintermann wrote: post #39
historia_novae wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a strawman and I'm tiring of reading it everywhere. Ukrainians are Europeans, it's normal they're flying to neighbouring countries, that is European ones. Syrians are Middle-Easterners, it would be logical for them to flee to wealthy neighboring countries (most does: Lebanon is hosting millions of them) which are geographically, linguistically, culturally and religiously closer to them like Saudi Arabia or Israe…

This is stretching it. Try buying kvass in Norway! Eastern Europe is in many ways a different planet. It's gradually changing thanks to Schengen workers, but middle easterners have had a bigger presence for longer - and they're actually better integrated in many ways (since they're not just here temporarily to make money, as many Schengen workers are). Ironically, the only place I've found Ukrainian kvass is in small…

> Try buying kvass in Norway!

Easy. I've bought it in Kiwi in Hemsedal (Ulsåk) several times, for example. All Eco Market shops in Oslo as well (run by Ukrainians/Poles btw).

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by scotty79 »

smackay wrote: post #33
Etheryte wrote: post #26

There's already a number of comments trying to spin this in one racially loaded way or another discrimination loaded way or such. Please stop. I'll try to explain why your take is misguided with a parable which you can no doubt poke countless holes into. Say you've lived in one place your whole life. You have a neighbour, and they've lived their whole life there as well. One day your neighbour comes to you and asks f…

This is the wrong way to look at it. If Syrian refugees had the media coverage Ukrainian ones do there'd be job boards for them and much more besides. People are reacting to the magnitude of the perceived crisis. Peoples' compassion pretty much knows no borders. If there is any finger-pointing to be done then it's at the mainstream media not at how individuals or groups are trying to help human beings in need.

That's completely wrong. People's compassion at least in Europe is very localized and tribal.

The neighbor analogy summs it up perfectly. Don't dismiss it. Learn to understand it.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by tut-urut-utut »

keewee7 wrote: post #35
tut-urut-utut wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wonder how Syrian refugees would feel about this, considering that they also fled to EU from a war zone with Russian ranks. It is a little disingenuous to blame Russians for Syrian refugees, given that we already had tens of millions of people that left Syria before Russia joined the party started by IS and other Islamists and escalated by the US/NATO.

Ask Syrian refugees here in Europe what they actually fled. They fled the bombs dropped by Russia and their Syrian allies. It was Russia and their Syrian allies who were responsible for the majority of civilian casualties and the massive flow of refugees.

Syrian civil war started ~2011, Russia joined in September 2015.

Most of the Syrian refugees came to Europe during the summer of 2015, before Russia even joined.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_civil_war

If we were to be nitpicky, we can even say the number of refugees from Syria in Europe decreased after Russian intervention.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by older »

Etheryte wrote: post #26

There's already a number of comments trying to spin this in one racially loaded way or another discrimination loaded way or such. Please stop. I'll try to explain why your take is misguided with a parable which you can no doubt poke countless holes into. Say you've lived in one place your whole life. You have a neighbour, and they've lived their whole life there as well. One day your neighbour comes to you and asks f…

Also, Ukrainian software development industry is 200k developers strong. I don't know how big is this industry in Syria, but I suspect it is not even close, unfortunately.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by hansworst »

smackay wrote: post #33
Etheryte wrote: post #26

There's already a number of comments trying to spin this in one racially loaded way or another discrimination loaded way or such. Please stop. I'll try to explain why your take is misguided with a parable which you can no doubt poke countless holes into. Say you've lived in one place your whole life. You have a neighbour, and they've lived their whole life there as well. One day your neighbour comes to you and asks f…

This is the wrong way to look at it. If Syrian refugees had the media coverage Ukrainian ones do there'd be job boards for them and much more besides. People are reacting to the magnitude of the perceived crisis. Peoples' compassion pretty much knows no borders. If there is any finger-pointing to be done then it's at the mainstream media not at how individuals or groups are trying to help human beings in need.

Not sure about Norway specifically, but job boards for non-western refugees existed before this war started:

https://www.refugeeforce.nl/apply

https://www.hackyourfuture.net/

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by scotty79 »

older wrote: post #43
alecco wrote: post #13

I would like to see safe haven for Russians who oppose Putin. Currently there is growing Euro hate to all Russians. There was a news segment about a Russian expat who's been campaigning abroad against the regime for over 10 years and now she gets insulted by random people. This was somewhere in Spain but could as well be any other country. They are desperately fleeing the regime to avoid being arrested. Others lost t…

How do you know which ones of those Russians oppose Putin? Just by asking and trusting that they are being honest? Those opposing Putin are a small minority, most of them are supporting the war even those in academia. Check these ratings: https://www.levada.ru/en/ratings/ Also, they are not risking much by being in opposition. That girl who protested couple of days ago during live broadcast on Russian TV got fined $2…

I think in Russians living abroad majority might oppose Putin or at least want nothing to do with him.

I imagine hating Putin and the country he created might be one of the more common reasons of living abroad.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by vintermann »

toxik wrote: post #48
vintermann wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is stretching it. Try buying kvass in Norway! Eastern Europe is in many ways a different planet. It's gradually changing thanks to Schengen workers, but middle easterners have had a bigger presence for longer - and they're actually better integrated in many ways (since they're not just here temporarily to make money, as many Schengen workers are). Ironically, the only place I've found Ukrainian kvass is in small…

Your argument, stripped down: $UAFoodItem is hard to find, thus Middle Eastern immigrants are better integrated. QED.

No, it's just an illustration, of a dead-common thing in EE being obscure and hard to find here. Most people wouldn't even know what it is.

I explained why middle easterners are often better integrated: they've often been here for longer, and they're usually here to stay. EE right wingers overestimate how much they have in common with us, and have the usual hang-ups about Islam.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by spaniard89277 »

csmpltn wrote: post #50
Etheryte wrote: post #26

There's already a number of comments trying to spin this in one racially loaded way or another discrimination loaded way or such. Please stop. I'll try to explain why your take is misguided with a parable which you can no doubt poke countless holes into. Say you've lived in one place your whole life. You have a neighbour, and they've lived their whole life there as well. One day your neighbour comes to you and asks f…

> "People go up and above for Ukraine because they're that neighbour" Where do you draw the line on "neighbor"? Why Ukraine but not Syria?

I feel like ucranians are fellow europeans. I guess it's the same for Norweigians.

If you look for a well-defined and rational response, I don't think there's one.

Anyway, I'd like to say that people is being too cynical about this. There has been, and there are right now, many efforts in Europe for supporting and integrating non-european refugees and inmigrants.

This "oh look, they care because they're white", well, there's a lot of selection bias right there, and I don't think we should be sorry to care about people we feel it's the same to us.

There has been hundreds of thousands of non-european people inmigrating to Europe for years, but somehow we're hypocrites now.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by gitfan86 »

csmpltn wrote: post #50
Etheryte wrote: post #26

There's already a number of comments trying to spin this in one racially loaded way or another discrimination loaded way or such. Please stop. I'll try to explain why your take is misguided with a parable which you can no doubt poke countless holes into. Say you've lived in one place your whole life. You have a neighbour, and they've lived their whole life there as well. One day your neighbour comes to you and asks f…

> "People go up and above for Ukraine because they're that neighbour" Where do you draw the line on "neighbor"? Why Ukraine but not Syria?

Humans are tribal in hundreds of different dimensions.

For example, If two people riding Harley motorcycles and two other people driving converted camper vans all arrive at a rest stop at the same time, it is likely that they will be friendly with each other based on the type of vehicle they arrived in.

But religion,politics,race,gender,age,nationality all can be big ones as well. Syria hits a lot of those.

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