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The the title would have been changed to “former employee”, not “associate”, for which the only conceivable reason seems to be to confuse.
Associate means employee
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Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’
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Re: Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’
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"Associate" is not a downgrade. It's a generic title that means "employee" and literally everyone (except maybe named officers in the legal filings) is an associate.
disagree. If I leave a company I am have no role there - I am not an associate, a customer service rep, or an engineer. What was I during my employment is a question of fact that can be answered without liability, but changing my title and lying to inquirers about what it was might be a liability.
No one is saying you weren't a CSR, or an engineer, or anything else. They simply aren't providing that i for around. Instead, they are confirming employment, calling you an employee.
If you have never worked at a company that case employees "associates" this may feel foreign to you, but rest assured it's extremely common and not something to get your ego in a knot over.
Re: Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
The the title would have been changed to “former employee”, not “associate”, for which the only conceivable reason seems to be to confuse.
Associate means employee
I was under the impression the problem was Apple was representing the person as a current employee, but I think I am wrong about that. If apple is confirming correct dates of employment, then I would have to retract.
Re: Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’
#54It surprised me much more to know that there are databases maintained by the likes of Equifax about persons' complete employment history, job titles and all... I think GDPR here in Europe really woke up the feeling that this kind of data shouldn't exist without explicit approval from the person which PII belongs to. This is beyond fucked up in my data privacy minded worldview.
I'm with you. As an American, my data is bought and sold before I'm even old enough to sign papers legally consenting. I don't like it and I want it to stop.
Re: Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’
#55So, uh, if you leave apple you could just put "Directly Responsible Engineer/Principal Engineer" on linkedin and... nobody could verify it, and apple wouldn't have the data to prove you wrong anymore?
Hmm.
Re: Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’
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>Apple does not have to share their database with these third party companies, but not only do they choose to do so they also make sure the information is wrong. Apple is, essentially, being unethical on two levels By giving out wrong personal information, the argument could be made that they are protecting privacy. I do not believe saying "associate" is wrong, though. It's a term that is commonly used by HR to refer…
If they wanted to protect privacy, they would only have two responses: "We confirm that this person worked for Apple, ending on [date]. By policy, we don't discuss any further details." "We do not have records that this person worked for Apple."
That is essentially what wiping title record with "associate" does. It's a generic term that is commonly synonymous with employee.
Re: Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’
#57I'm not sure this is exactly Apple, or certainly not only Apple that is doing this.
I recently grabbed a copy of my work report from theworknumber.com (basically equifax) and noticed that for some employers my title was listed as associate.
Didn't think anything about it much at the time, but seeing this article sparked my memory.
Re: Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’
#58So if someone wants to build up their resume, can they not work at an Apple store for a year or two after graduating then make up a fancy job title and description that will get their foot in the door anywhere else?
Re: Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’
#59It surprised me much more to know that there are databases maintained by the likes of Equifax about persons' complete employment history, job titles and all... I think GDPR here in Europe really woke up the feeling that this kind of data shouldn't exist without explicit approval from the person which PII belongs to. This is beyond fucked up in my data privacy minded worldview.
Ok, but let’s back it up one step. Am I (a random internet guy) allowed to call the company you claim you currently work for on LinkedIn, and ask them whether you work there in such and such a position? Can I ask them how much they pay you? Sure, I can ask, but can they answer? Is all or some of that really privileged information? There are two parties in your employment, and both own the information. Are you prohibi…
There's an entire sea of difference between confirming or refuting a fact of employment that has been put forward during a hiring process, as part of a screen, and sharing everything with anyone who asks, including those shady characters over there who asked every employer to share everything about everyone simultaneously because their business is about building a database and selling access to it.
That being said, if the employers actually benefit (even in a collusive way) from sharing that information in such a manner, I'm not sure how to argue that they shouldn't be able to do that.
Re: Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’
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disagree. If I leave a company I am have no role there - I am not an associate, a customer service rep, or an engineer. What was I during my employment is a question of fact that can be answered without liability, but changing my title and lying to inquirers about what it was might be a liability.
No one is saying you weren't a CSR, or an engineer, or anything else. They simply aren't providing that i for around. Instead, they are confirming employment, calling you an employee. If you have never worked at a company that case employees "associates" this may feel foreign to you, but rest assured it's extremely common and not something to get your ego in a knot over.
instead of giving the working title while there, they lie and say you're an associate when you aren't when not employed by apple, and weren't when you were there, because your title wasn't associate. It's either a lie or sabotage, and neither way good for the employee.