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Add 10 GbE to your system with an M.2 2280 module

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Re: Add 10 GbE to your system with an M.2 2280 module

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Post by kodah »

buro9 wrote: post #43
AceJohnny2 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All excellent points but I'd remove gamers from there: > (gamers and video professionals being an exception) I play Stadia, 4K HDR 60FPS, just fine on a gigabit ethernet connection and 150MBit internet connection. Any games not streaming the entire video are fine with just kilobits/s of data, as long as the latency is good. So the case for home 10GE is even weaker ;)

Gamers aren't a strong answer :D but they're the audiophiles of home computing hardware and networks and the most likely to overspend in the belief that it's better :D

Gamers being hard wired has everything to do with consistent latency in twitch style FPS's. That said, consistent latency is pretty beneficial in most PVP games.

Re: Add 10 GbE to your system with an M.2 2280 module

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Post by xondono »

AceJohnny2 wrote: post #41
buro9 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of reasons: 1. Consumer broadband speeds rarely exceed 1Gbps 2. 1Gbps Local network transfers are seldom slowed by the network (as large file work typically involves HDD still) 3. Where local network transfers are impeded by the network speed the transferring itself isn't a frequent enough and blocking thing that people feel they need to fix it... they just go make a cup of tea once or twice a day 4. There are a…

All excellent points but I'd remove gamers from there: > (gamers and video professionals being an exception) I play Stadia, 4K HDR 60FPS, just fine on a gigabit ethernet connection and 150MBit internet connection. Any games not streaming the entire video are fine with just kilobits/s of data, as long as the latency is good. So the case for home 10GE is even weaker ;)

I understood GPs point to be “everyone is pretty much on wifi except professionals and gamers anyway”.

Re: Add 10 GbE to your system with an M.2 2280 module

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Post by Ourgon »

buro9 wrote: post #43
AceJohnny2 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All excellent points but I'd remove gamers from there: > (gamers and video professionals being an exception) I play Stadia, 4K HDR 60FPS, just fine on a gigabit ethernet connection and 150MBit internet connection. Any games not streaming the entire video are fine with just kilobits/s of data, as long as the latency is good. So the case for home 10GE is even weaker ;)

Gamers aren't a strong answer :D but they're the audiophiles of home computing hardware and networks and the most likely to overspend in the belief that it's better :D

Hm, that's taking it a bit far given that I've yet to see any gamer who believes that e.g. taping plastic bags with gravel to their network cables [1] will lower their ping times (if it is not for weighing down a cruddy connector which only works when you press the damn thing down, that is). There does not seem to be a gamer-equivalent of $30000 speaker cables [2] (8 ft., add $1500 per additional ft.) or $10.000 power cables [3] either. No, audiophiles still hold the biscuit for being the most easily deluded moneyed demographic out there. If Hans Christian Andersen were alive today he'd write a story about it, "The Emperor's new Speaker Cable" [4] where a little boy is the only one who dares to comment on the piece of rusty barbed wire connecting the speakers to the amplifier.

[1] https://www.machinadynamica.com/machina31.htm

[2] https://www.synergisticresearch.com/cables/srx-cables/srx-sc...

[3] https://www.synergisticresearch.com/cables/srx-cables/srx-ac...

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor%27s_New_Clothes

Re: Add 10 GbE to your system with an M.2 2280 module

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Post by xondono »

vardump wrote: post #17
martinald wrote: post #9

It's interesting to see just how slow faster ethernet standards have been. Feels like I've had gigabit ethernet at a pretty low cost for nearly 20 years now, but faster than that has been pretty esoteric outside of the datacentre. I guess there really isn't much demand for faster than gigabit speeds even now (outside of servers?)

Getting stuck to 1 Gbps is somewhat crazy, as even the slowest laptop and PC M.2 SSDs can do 10-20 Gbps easy. Fastest ones 50 Gbps+. But I guess most people don't transfer files in their local networks anymore and use their network purely for internet access.

> But I guess most people don't transfer files in their local networks anymore and use their network purely for internet access.

Most people don’t have anywhere in their local network to transfer things to. I still laugh when people see my home server and assume that’s “your work thing”. I do use it for work, but 99.99% of what’s contained in there are family pictures and photos.

Re: Add 10 GbE to your system with an M.2 2280 module

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Post by shrx »

Bad_CRC wrote: post #42
shrx wrote: post #26

> Applications that may make use of the module include machine vision in industrial applications, high throughput network data transmission, high-resolution imaging for surveillance, and casino gaming machines. Does anyone know why is this useful in casino gaming machines?

I was researching about low latency applications and one seems to be webrtc video for casinos where the croupier hands and cards are streaming to the internet for remote players, could be something like that.

Right, I was thinking about that but I would not call it a "casino gaming machine" in this case, more like a casino security system, so I thought it could be something else.

Re: Add 10 GbE to your system with an M.2 2280 module

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Post by jcelerier »

AceJohnny2 wrote: post #41
buro9 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of reasons: 1. Consumer broadband speeds rarely exceed 1Gbps 2. 1Gbps Local network transfers are seldom slowed by the network (as large file work typically involves HDD still) 3. Where local network transfers are impeded by the network speed the transferring itself isn't a frequent enough and blocking thing that people feel they need to fix it... they just go make a cup of tea once or twice a day 4. There are a…

All excellent points but I'd remove gamers from there: > (gamers and video professionals being an exception) I play Stadia, 4K HDR 60FPS, just fine on a gigabit ethernet connection and 150MBit internet connection. Any games not streaming the entire video are fine with just kilobits/s of data, as long as the latency is good. So the case for home 10GE is even weaker ;)

Weird, SteamLink on gigabit ethernet is barely useable here

Re: Add 10 GbE to your system with an M.2 2280 module

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Post by gjulianm »

walrus01 wrote: post #37
martinald wrote: post #9

It's interesting to see just how slow faster ethernet standards have been. Feels like I've had gigabit ethernet at a pretty low cost for nearly 20 years now, but faster than that has been pretty esoteric outside of the datacentre. I guess there really isn't much demand for faster than gigabit speeds even now (outside of servers?)

10GbE and 100GbE on fiber is quite cheap and easy now - but 99% of consumers and people doing ordinary stuff have no capability or interest in doing fiber. You can terminate cat5e or cat6 with $25 in hand tools... I think what's new is the prevalence now of 2.5 and 5GBaseT ethernet chips that are cheap enough companies are starting to build them into any $125+ ATX motherboard. At short lengths even old crappy cat5e h…

Even 100GbE is hardly seen on company datacenters. Yes, it's cheaper than before, but still more expensive than 10G, and that's extra cost multiplied by all the devices that need to have the improved hardware to take advantage. Plus, most servers won't saturate a 10G link without tweaks on the setup. For 100G it's even worse, I think it will take a long time to see them on datacenters outside of core links or for companies with heavy bandwidth use (storage, video).

Re: Add 10 GbE to your system with an M.2 2280 module

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Post by Sebb767 »

comboy wrote: post #48
cosmotic wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From my perspective the problem is availability and cost of 2.5, 5, and 10gbe switches.

Mikrotik

It's still around 100$ and up (I know you can get it a bit cheaper, but not everyone searches). Gigabit switches, on the other hand, are basically free.

Re: Add 10 GbE to your system with an M.2 2280 module

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Post by panda88888 »

martinald wrote: post #9

It's interesting to see just how slow faster ethernet standards have been. Feels like I've had gigabit ethernet at a pretty low cost for nearly 20 years now, but faster than that has been pretty esoteric outside of the datacentre. I guess there really isn't much demand for faster than gigabit speeds even now (outside of servers?)

I have gigabit internet (downstream only... hoping for fiber one day for symmetric up/down), and I run wired gigabit ethernet for desktops and fixed devices to free up the wifi. For 99% everyday use it works just fine. Externally I hit 80+ MB/s on internet download (aggregate, very few sites saturate my downstream bandwidth), and internally I hit 90+ MB/s to and from my NAS. The only time I wish it was faster is when transferring really large files to/from the NAS, but only for 10GB+, so the extra cost of either SFP+ or copper 2.5/5/10G upgrade to the network is not really warranted. One day I might install a NVME cache on my NAS and run a straight 10G fiber from my workstation to the NAS, but that's more of a luxury (look I can transfer 10GB file in 10 sec instead of 100 sec!) than need.
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