Way to spin it: more evidence for the wage inequality between man and female caused by the patriarchy which forces woman into low paying jobs and men into high paying ones. The few man who were willing to accept a low paying job were actively redirected towards higher paying ones.
Swedish study finds discrimination against men in female-dominated occupations
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#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why would acknowledging that men are discriminated against minimize the concern for discrimination against women? Its ok to focus on more than 1 thing. Discrimination is wrong, never really understood the purpose of 'whataboutism'.
I am not saying that. But there are many (typically men's rights orgs) who seize on stories like this to say that 'enough is enough and truly it is us men who are being marginalized [in ways beyond what the article says]' and thats not at all true.
Men are marginalized in many ways beyond what this one article says - education, criminal justice, mental health to name but a few broad areas. Anyone who says otherwise is part of the problem and should have no voice in this conversation.
Happy International Men's Day.
Re: Swedish study finds discrimination against men in female-dominated occupations
#53> Granberg and his colleagues found that women had higher positive employer response rates than men on average, an effect that was primarily driven by female-dominated occupations. There was no evidence of discrimination against women in male-dominated professions or in mixed-gender professions, but the researchers did find evidence of discrimination against men in female-dominated professions. Duh? The only reason t…
I worked with a senior female colleague (featuring on lists of Most Influential Women in XYZ at the national level) who would regularly say things like "I only want to hire women to work for me" in meetings. Apparently that's something you can say with impunity.
> Apparently that's something you can say with impunity.
I don’t know, but I do know that saying: "I only want to hire men to work for me" will get you fired before the end of the week..
Re: Swedish study finds discrimination against men in female-dominated occupations
#54Way to spin it: more evidence for the wage inequality between man and female caused by the patriarchy which forces woman into low paying jobs and men into high paying ones. The few man who were willing to accept a low paying job were actively redirected towards higher paying ones.
how does that explain females having better response rates than men?
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#55I'm not disputing the article. Discrimination happens. Humans are human. But let's not lose sight or minimize that women are (currently and historically) discriminated against on a scale that dwarfs this - in hiring, salary, and society at large.
Historically, completely agreed. Your other points of hiring, salary, and society at large I would not agree with outside of some edge cases that still need to be cleaned up.
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#56Way to spin it: more evidence for the wage inequality between man and female caused by the patriarchy which forces woman into low paying jobs and men into high paying ones. The few man who were willing to accept a low paying job were actively redirected towards higher paying ones.
how does that explain females having better response rates than men?
The patriarchy wants men to have higher paying jobs, thus it ignores their applications for lower paying ones.
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#57The article goes farther, saying: "There was no evidence of discrimination against women in male-dominated professions or in mixed-gender professions, but the researchers did find evidence of discrimination against men in female-dominated professions." Sweden, though.
More importantly: they looked at hiring practices. That's an extremely narrow view of the problem domain.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
The same is true for the art world. Female dominated in every art school I know, male dominated at the well-paying end of the success spectrum. And I can safely say that I have not ever noticed any discrimination against male artists while studying it. Quite the contrary.
One factor that may be contributing to this, especially in the art world, is survivorship bias driven by higher male risk tolerances. Men have much more boom or bust outcomes in their lives and careers due to lower risk aversion. What this could look like in the art world is a lower tendency than women towards a stable yet income-capped career like art teacher, and a higher tendency towards a risky yet unlimited pote…
Note the hypothesis about risk being a predominantly male trait is also consistent at the other end with men making up 90%+ of prison population in pretty much any form of government or society.
I haven't heard many feminists argue for a female quota in prisons yet.
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#59Why is that a problem? There are countless other "immutable" characteristics on which an employer can discriminate candidates. It ultimately comes down to finding a good fit for the particular culture of the particular workplace. For every candidate that is discriminated at one workplace, there is another workplace which would welcome them and discriminate members from the first workplace.
>Why is that a problem? There are countless other "immutable" characteristics on which an employer can discriminate candidates.
Why should there be social equality?
Equal opportunity has enabled egalitarian societies to be tremendously successful. You are fundamentally able to use greater talent base per capita than a society which doesn't. The results will force everyone to do this and this is a great thing.
A problem arrives in which people arent in equal positions. So for us in Canada we have the legal right to discriminate against people so long as we are doing it to benefit a group defined as 'disadvantaged'. However, that doesn't account for anything. So for example hairdressing which is dominated by women can discriminate against men. Reverse sexism is legal. They call this 'leveling' but it is actually harmful.
What you get is a situation in which the 'disadvantaged' are no longer disadvantaged and the advantaged are the disadvantaged.
Re: Swedish study finds discrimination against men in female-dominated occupations
#60Way to spin it: more evidence for the wage inequality between man and female caused by the patriarchy which forces woman into low paying jobs and men into high paying ones. The few man who were willing to accept a low paying job were actively redirected towards higher paying ones.
More like gynocentrism actively directed those job seeking men to homelessness.