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Re: Palm oil favors tumor expansion

#51

Yet another thing on the cancerogenic pile sigh At some point you have to ask yourself if everything but water gives us cancer.

If I couldn't grow it or raise it 100 years ago, I don't want to eat it. Open to being convinced otherwise.

Ultra-processed foods are probably a consequence of trying to feed billions of people. Do you think there’s enough farm land, water, etc. for the earth population to only grow bio/eco produce?

Re: Palm oil favors tumor expansion

#53

Take one look at the modern production process for vegetable oil and this sort of effect is starting you right in the face. Palm, Canola, Rapeseed, Soybean, etc, they're all terrible. I avoid this shit like the plague.

Honest question - how? Isn't it in almost everything?

If you cook, you can choose not to use those oils.

Re: Palm oil favors tumor expansion

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post #32

Take one look at the modern production process for vegetable oil and this sort of effect is starting you right in the face. Palm, Canola, Rapeseed, Soybean, etc, they're all terrible. I avoid this shit like the plague.

>Take one look at the modern production process for vegetable oil and this sort of effect is starting you right in the face. Mind elaborating? Without specific details it reeks of the naturalistic fallacy or the "good old days".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQmqVVmMB3k

Re: Palm oil favors tumor expansion

#57
post #32

Take one look at the modern production process for vegetable oil and this sort of effect is starting you right in the face. Palm, Canola, Rapeseed, Soybean, etc, they're all terrible. I avoid this shit like the plague.

>Take one look at the modern production process for vegetable oil and this sort of effect is starting you right in the face. Mind elaborating? Without specific details it reeks of the naturalistic fallacy or the "good old days".

How would the opposite not be true? "an appeal to the modern". Just because something like palm oil is new, must it be better? Consider that for years the "new" advice was to recommend aspirin to prevent heart attacks. [https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIR.0000000000000678] If you ignored this advice some smarmy pill pusher would say you're appealing to nature. What about non-addictive painkillers like oxycotton. From wikipedia: "A genetically engineered rapeseed that is tolerant to the herbicide Roundup (glyphosate)". "Exposure to glyphosate-based herbicides and risk for non-Hodgkin lymphoma: A meta-analysis and supporting evidence" [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S13835...]. So from the beginning the product is tainted. Then the oil is bleached for a more palatable color. It refined like other industrials oils and often interchangeable for machining uses.

Mouse experiments showed weight gain and memory loss/alzheimers [https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-17373-3]

While mice are not humans, American obesity has grown since the use of seed oils has grown.

Seed oil advocates themselves appeal to "the good ol days", as many peoples have allegedly used rape seed oil over history.

Re: Palm oil favors tumor expansion

#58
post #32

Take one look at the modern production process for vegetable oil and this sort of effect is starting you right in the face. Palm, Canola, Rapeseed, Soybean, etc, they're all terrible. I avoid this shit like the plague.

>Take one look at the modern production process for vegetable oil and this sort of effect is starting you right in the face. Mind elaborating? Without specific details it reeks of the naturalistic fallacy or the "good old days".

> naturalistic fallacy or the "good old days"

This is not a fallacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindy_effect

Ray Peat has been warning about seed oils for decades, I'm not sure if its bullet-proof but at least its interesting: https://raypeat.com/articles/articles/unsaturated-oils.shtml

Re: Palm oil favors tumor expansion

#59

A nice quote[0]: > Nutella maker, Ferrero, launched an advertising campaign in response to reassure customers that their product is safe. The company insists on keeping their recipe the same, claiming that “making Nutella without palm oil would produce an inferior substitute for the real product, it would be a step backward,” according to Fererro’s purchasing manager, Vincenzo Tapella. The smooth texture Tapella is r…

Funny, because hazelnut spread without palm oil tastes 500% better than with.

Re: Palm oil favors tumor expansion

#60
post #47

For everyone spooked by this. Cancer thrives on many things. And there’s little survival advantage for people who can effectively fight cancer after their reproductive age. All novel carcinogens aside(radiation, air pollution, baby powder), humans often are just not equipped to fight cancer. Certain diets probably can make it a bit better or worse, but they might not be the game changer. Our best bet is technology, l…

> "humans often are just not equipped to fight cancer."

blanket statements like this are almost never correct. our bodies are certainly equipped to fight cancer, having evolved a number of mechanisms in that regard, it's just that cancer is relentless and the cumulative probabilities tend to catch up with a number of us eventually, which necessarily skews mortalities older.

with that said, we're certainly unlikely to naturally evolve ourselves out of cancer risk in the next few millenia, so yes, technology is one of our best bets (along with developing tech to reduce novel carcinogen risks).

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