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People with 1 dose J&J will be considered unvaxxed from Jan 3rd 2022 in Austria

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Re: People with 1 dose J&J will be considered unvaxxed from Jan 3rd 2022 in Austria

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Post by c0balt »

elzbardico wrote: post #49

All of this would have been avoided if we kept the vaccine only for the groups that are high risk. Is absurdly pathetic to see healthy, relatively people in their 20's and 30's terribly scared of covid-19 as if it was ebola. Well, for you it is not, it never was. Yes, you can get it and you can die, it is possible, but this is a very unlikely outcome to you. We should never ever created this level of fear to vaccinat…

Maybe people in their 20's to 30's are not only being anxious about the direct chance that they could die but of other side effects too?

Long covid alias long lasting damages such as impaired taste that have a high impact on your life and are a good reason to get vaccinated against.

Just because they most likely won't die, doesn't mean that it will be easy nor that it will be without other nasty side-effects. The vaccine has also been limited AFAIK to high-risk groups in most countries before being available to 'healthy' people.

Vaccinating them will also improve the chance for other vaccinated high-risk groups to be infected less and as such help those groups over all in the long term.

Re: People with 1 dose J&J will be considered unvaxxed from Jan 3rd 2022 in Austria

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Post by samaman »

elzbardico wrote: post #49

All of this would have been avoided if we kept the vaccine only for the groups that are high risk. Is absurdly pathetic to see healthy, relatively people in their 20's and 30's terribly scared of covid-19 as if it was ebola. Well, for you it is not, it never was. Yes, you can get it and you can die, it is possible, but this is a very unlikely outcome to you. We should never ever created this level of fear to vaccinat…

Maybe you just havent been seeing the same horror I've been seeing in terms of whole families getting covid and falling quite sick in India due to the shock it caused to the healthcare system..

Re: People with 1 dose J&J will be considered unvaxxed from Jan 3rd 2022 in Austria

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Post by throwntoday »

akomtu wrote: post #29
LurkingPenguin wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't look like it. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v... > SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected, when the first event (infection or vaccination) occurred during January and February of 2021. The increased risk was significant (P<0.001) for symptomatic di…

So it's better to get natural immunity while under the effect of vaccine. I'm sure Pfizer would prefer perpetual mandatory boosters because thats a fat revenue stream.

Better to get natural immunity and just leave it at that. But it you got a vaccine afterwards from what I've gathered your natural antibodies will outcompete whatever the vaccine is producing. The inverse appears to be the same, in that, your body will be unable to produce its own antibodies after getting a vaccine because it is being outcompeted. This seems to pose an issue for variants, as your body will have no way of fighting off a sufficiently mutated virus, it will continue to produce the wrong antibodies. This is known as antibody-dependent enhancement, or ADE, and was a well understood risk prior to rushing out these vaccines.

Re: People with 1 dose J&J will be considered unvaxxed from Jan 3rd 2022 in Austria

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Post by miles »

c0balt wrote: post #51
elzbardico wrote: post #49

All of this would have been avoided if we kept the vaccine only for the groups that are high risk. Is absurdly pathetic to see healthy, relatively people in their 20's and 30's terribly scared of covid-19 as if it was ebola. Well, for you it is not, it never was. Yes, you can get it and you can die, it is possible, but this is a very unlikely outcome to you. We should never ever created this level of fear to vaccinat…

Maybe people in their 20's to 30's are not only being anxious about the direct chance that they could die but of other side effects too? Long covid alias long lasting damages such as impaired taste that have a high impact on your life and are a good reason to get vaccinated against. Just because they most likely won't die, doesn't mean that it will be easy nor that it will be without other nasty side-effects. The vac…

> Vaccinating them will also improve the chance for other vaccinated high-risk groups to be infected less

Viral Loads Similar Between Vaccinated and Unvaccinated People https://www.ucdavis.edu/health/covid-19/news/viral-loads-sim...

UK study finds vaccinated people easily transmit Delta variant in households https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/...

Re: People with 1 dose J&J will be considered unvaxxed from Jan 3rd 2022 in Austria

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Post by c0balt »

miles wrote: post #54
c0balt wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe people in their 20's to 30's are not only being anxious about the direct chance that they could die but of other side effects too? Long covid alias long lasting damages such as impaired taste that have a high impact on your life and are a good reason to get vaccinated against. Just because they most likely won't die, doesn't mean that it will be easy nor that it will be without other nasty side-effects. The vac…

> Vaccinating them will also improve the chance for other vaccinated high-risk groups to be infected less Viral Loads Similar Between Vaccinated and Unvaccinated People https://www.ucdavis.edu/health/covid-19/news/viral-loads-sim... UK study finds vaccinated people easily transmit Delta variant in households https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/...

Hmm, my comment was meant to reference eeard immunity, but it's interesting that the virus load remains the same. Thank your for linking sources.

Though even if the virus load is the same, it doesn't change the (in most cases) shorter duration people are emitting the virus.

Re: People with 1 dose J&J will be considered unvaxxed from Jan 3rd 2022 in Austria

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Post by raxxorrax »

c0balt wrote: post #51
elzbardico wrote: post #49

All of this would have been avoided if we kept the vaccine only for the groups that are high risk. Is absurdly pathetic to see healthy, relatively people in their 20's and 30's terribly scared of covid-19 as if it was ebola. Well, for you it is not, it never was. Yes, you can get it and you can die, it is possible, but this is a very unlikely outcome to you. We should never ever created this level of fear to vaccinat…

Maybe people in their 20's to 30's are not only being anxious about the direct chance that they could die but of other side effects too? Long covid alias long lasting damages such as impaired taste that have a high impact on your life and are a good reason to get vaccinated against. Just because they most likely won't die, doesn't mean that it will be easy nor that it will be without other nasty side-effects. The vac…

> a good reason to get vaccinated against.

I completely agree, but how does this explain the level of enforcement of vaccination that we are seeing?

Re: People with 1 dose J&J will be considered unvaxxed from Jan 3rd 2022 in Austria

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Post by maxerickson »

elzbardico wrote: post #50
TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Especially if you're dead.

Unless you're old, obese or diabetic, your chance of dying is pretty low. For someone in their 30's, probably less than the flu. And even if you're 80 years old, it is not a death sentence. Stop acting like this is Ebola. It is not.

That's roughly half the population there.

And a less lethal but highly transmissible virus is clearly worse than Ebola in some ways. We routinely contain Ebola outbreaks, they don't kill millions of people. The largest outbreak infected less than 30,000 people.

Re: People with 1 dose J&J will be considered unvaxxed from Jan 3rd 2022 in Austria

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Post by c0balt »

raxxorrax wrote: post #56
c0balt wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe people in their 20's to 30's are not only being anxious about the direct chance that they could die but of other side effects too? Long covid alias long lasting damages such as impaired taste that have a high impact on your life and are a good reason to get vaccinated against. Just because they most likely won't die, doesn't mean that it will be easy nor that it will be without other nasty side-effects. The vac…

> a good reason to get vaccinated against. I completely agree, but how does this explain the level of enforcement of vaccination that we are seeing?

I can only guess that it's a mix of the drive towards ending the 'pandemic situation' (see germany for example) and the easy brownee-points some politicians see in going with the train of 'I value lives over (money|...) And that's why I will add the new mandate for vaccines' etc. Or just a lot of pilled up anxiety, that's been collecting over the course of lockdowns.

Re: People with 1 dose J&J will be considered unvaxxed from Jan 3rd 2022 in Austria

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Post by dang »

malermeister wrote: post #14
effie wrote: post #3

You can't comply your way out of tyranny. Perhaps this change in rules will help more people to see this.

You can't "muh freedom" your way out of a pandemic.

Would you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait to HN? You've been doing a ton of this, unfortunately. We ban such accounts, regardless of which ideology they're battling for.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that maybe you weren't aware of the site guidelines, but if you'd please review them (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html) and stick to the intended spirit from now on, we'd appreciate it. The basic idea is: if you have a substantive point, make it thoughtfully; if not, please don't comment until you do. And please use the site primarily for curiosity, not ideological battle; we ban accounts that do the latter.

Re: People with 1 dose J&J will be considered unvaxxed from Jan 3rd 2022 in Austria

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Post by effie »

throwntoday wrote: post #45
effie wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vaccine-induced or natural immunity isn't just about antibodies. Immune system gets to remember the spike protein (vaccine) and other characteristics of the virus (natural immunity) so even if antibodies go down, the body remembers and can create new antibodies on next encounter. So you still have some immunity benefit. Agreed on natural immunity, it would be very unexpected and weird if it was substantially worse th…

And yet Wolenski, Fauci, the CDC, continue to "reccommend" people get vaccinated regardless of natural immunity and refused to answer the senate on whether they think those with natural immunity should be exempt from vaccine mandates.

When officials all push the same narrative and ignore available relevant scientific knowledge that contradicts this narrative, that's how we know they became untrustworthy actors similar to politicians even if they were at some point considered scientists. It is amazing how the narrative pushed from above is everywhere the same, despite many respected scientists pointing out massive holes that smart children can see.
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