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Everyone pays for their internet access, so why should Netflix (or anyone else) suddenly pay for mine? Netflix isn’t pushing data, I’m pulling it. If my ISP is losing money then I guess they better raise their prices, no?
> South Korean lawmakers have spoken out against content providers who do not pay for network usage despite generating explosive traffic It's impressive how this framing has gotten so much acceptance. The content providers are not generating the traffic, the users are, and they are paying their ISPs to be able to do so.
It really is wild. ISPs have been overselling "unlimited" connections for forever, and being paid for it, but when their customers actually want to use literally the service they paid for, _legally_, it's somehow wrong? I guess that's the thing with Netflix though, it's torrent-like traffic, but legal, so there's no excuse to stop it and they have to come up with something. "oh they're generating explosive traffic th…
First, they aren't being paid for unlimited. Do you think that $39.99 or $199.99 per month can cover the cost of transferring unlimited amount of data to another continent? Of course, it doesn't. Somebody pays $39.99 to download 10 emails, another customer runs BitTorrent 24 by 7 consuming TB's of bandwidth for the same price.
Second, they don't want to sell "unlimited" - they could make more money by selling differentiated services.
I think it becomes easier to think about this, if I frame the problem in terms of more tangible objects than bandwidth and data. The public street network is in large parts paid for by taxes, so for everyone access to the network is already payed for. If I now envision a single company blocking all streets with its giant truck fleet, I could completely understand a motion to introduce a new form of toll to be payed b…
In the road example, it's more like if every person paid for the ability to put one truck on the road and everyone delegated their truck space to a shipping company who now has millions of trucks hogging the roads. Yes, they're using tons of infrastructure but their usage has been paid for already.
What if ISPs created their own CDNs or someone creates a CDN network behind major ISP providers -- Netflix and YouTube top consumed content seems to be a very good contender for this type of a offering.
Netflix already has https://openconnect.netflix.com/en/ . YouTube probably has something similar.
Everyone pays for their internet access, so why should Netflix (or anyone else) suddenly pay for mine? Netflix isn’t pushing data, I’m pulling it. If my ISP is losing money then I guess they better raise their prices, no?
Hmm, I guess ISPs could just drop traffic if they can’t afford it, but maybe if you push a lot of data you could pay more to have the content actually delivered to end users.
> South Korean lawmakers have spoken out against content providers who do not pay for network usage despite generating explosive traffic It's impressive how this framing has gotten so much acceptance. The content providers are not generating the traffic, the users are, and they are paying their ISPs to be able to do so.
If anything, customers should be suing ISPs every time they don't get the expected bandwidth. It's the ISP that fails to deliver according to the contract.
Everyone pays for their internet access, so why should Netflix (or anyone else) suddenly pay for mine? Netflix isn’t pushing data, I’m pulling it. If my ISP is losing money then I guess they better raise their prices, no?
Netflix is pushing data AND you are pulling it.
Similarly, Australia had problems when Netflix was first becoming popular here, putting huge strains on the network and causing widespread congestion issues from 6 to 10 pm. I wonder if we'll ever see a predictive home-caching system; if I watch the first three episodes of squid game in one night, it might be sensible to have my TV download the rest of the series overnight.
Seems like a good opportunity for Netflix to raise their prices in S.Korea and use a portion of that increase to pay what the courts seem like they're going to demand. The rest of the increase would go to offsetting the additional burden on Netflix that this will cause by forcing them to treat S.Korea differently than everyone else. I'm honestly surprised that any corporations are paying that there, but if the govern…
> I'm honestly surprised that any corporations are paying that there, It benefits Netflix in the long term as it raises barriers to entry for disruptive competitors. If, in order to reach an ISP's customers, you have to pay the ISP for the privilege, then creating new startups is harder and the incumbents can just price it in. I wouldn't be at all surprised if this became more common elsewhere, as everyone involved b…
Content is king and competitors are already priced out long before minor squabbles over bandwidth.