How Indian lawyers, scientists gave Sci-Hub its first legal defense team

Post by jazzyjackson » Mon, Sep 20, 2021, 8:38 PM UTC

martin_a wrote: post #7

yashwastaken wrote: post #4

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But pirating music is different from streaming it on some application. Like you don't own the music file you're just streaming it from some servers(in case of downloading you still need the app and can't share it to some other device).

I don't think that matters. Everybody had a bunch (or thousands) of MP3s because mobile phones weren't a thing, fast mobile connections weren't a thing and there was simply no infrastructure to have something like Spotify. If we'd have Spotify with everything in 2003, we would not swap hard drives in school breaks.

Post by nybble41 » Tue, Sep 21, 2021, 4:16 AM UTC

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danuker wrote: post #9

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What is a fair price? There is no such thing. An economically optimal price is one that maximizes total profit. If it's too high, fewer people will buy the product, which might reduce profit. If it's too low, the profit margin will be small in spite of lots of units sold.

This is an absurdly limited point of view. If I charge 3x as much as other vendors, then force them to raise their prices by firebombing businesses that don't comply, it might (conceivably) maximize profit, but most people would think it unfair, largely because it was founded on unfair restraint of trade. I don't think the prices on music were unfair before. No one has to have music, and there was no evidence that th…

Post by 2Gkashmiri » Tue, Sep 21, 2021, 11:20 AM UTC

pkaye wrote: post #50

2Gkashmiri wrote: post #31

why? what is the "benefit of elsevier"? beyond holding copyright to the work of others which they give away for free, what value addition does elsevier bring to the table that cant be done otherwise? if the argument is that they provide classification and other stuff, why cant you just dump everything on schihub and let people do the organization themselves? remember a few hundred years ago, horse drawn carts were a…

> on a sidenote, why arent authors and researchers publishing on scihub directly? Because Elsevier own prestigious journals that authors want to publish on. Its like saying why compete in the Olympics when you can compete in your local races.

Post by kbad1000 » Tue, Sep 21, 2021, 12:32 PM UTC

danuker wrote: post #9

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I am not convinced music prices were "unfair" -- they were higher than people wanted to pay. There is a distinction.

What is a fair price? There is no such thing. An economically optimal price is one that maximizes total profit. If it's too high, fewer people will buy the product, which might reduce profit. If it's too low, the profit margin will be small in spite of lots of units sold.

Post by pkaye » Tue, Sep 21, 2021, 5:32 PM UTC

2Gkashmiri wrote: post #55

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> on a sidenote, why arent authors and researchers publishing on scihub directly? Because Elsevier own prestigious journals that authors want to publish on. Its like saying why compete in the Olympics when you can compete in your local races.

why dont they dual publish or does publishing on elsevier make you forfeit the right to publish elsewhere ? publish on elsevier and simultaneously publish on scihub also? what is the problem in that?