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The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started

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Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started

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Post by eurasiantiger »

syshum wrote: post #39
radu_floricica wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would actually like to know exactly why I had to stay locked in my house for a couple of months while nice military men were out on the streets with big guns. You might make a case that it would actually help, or not. I don't know. I don't particularly care, not next to the huge magnitude of wanting the tiniest bit of truth and justice.

>>would actually like to know exactly why I had to stay locked in my house for a couple of months while nice military men were out on the streets with big guns. Well even if it was a lab leak. A response to a pandemic with totalitarian lock down using the military is something you need to address with your government That is NOT a proper response to a illness for any nation claiming to value individual rights and ind…

What would be a proper response? ;)

Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started

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Post by asplake »

daavidhauser wrote: post #4

why does the world need a proper investigation into that? Sometimes it seems to me that it’s just because we want someone to blame. Not because it would actually help anyone.

Slightly torn on this. Surely it would be good to understand it better so that it might be recognised earlier next time. However the world’s mostly shambolic response is probably the better focus for inquiry. Can’t help feeling that the former issue is being used as a smokescreen for the latter.

Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started

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Post by lottin »

switch007 wrote: post #37
dkdk8283 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the more reason to piss them off and ween off our addiction to disposable junk and sweatshop priced labor. Given the impact to the world we all should be asking difficult questions.

You mean capitalists’ addiction to profit. Double my wage, I’ll buy made in the UK/EU much more often.

If wages doubled in the UK/EU everything made in the UK/EU would instantly also become more expensive.

Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started

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Post by aww_dang »

bilvar wrote: post #12
zpeti wrote: post #2

Things like this usually come down to incentives. And right now I don’t see how almost any major power’s leaders have any incentive to push an investigation forwards. We are too dependent on China to piss them off, and so far experience shows we are much more likely to follow their demands than follow our own (Hollywood, NBA, Hong Kong, blizzard, albeit only one of those is geopolitical).

Are we just going to brush off the US’s involvement in funding WIV? And how even Fauci tried to cover that up? China is not the sole one to blame.

As long as we are discussing potential incentives, it seems reasonable to have a modicum of curiosity concerning the incentives for a biosecurity state.

Simply blaming one state actor over another appears as a set of false alternatives. A convenient distraction which inspires tribalism and identity.

CBDC, "verified digital identities" and a host of other dystopian solutions grow into rationalized necessities from the germ of the COVID crisis. We need not look very far to see many of the same actors involved have advocated for these dystopian innovations for years, if not decades. If some of those actors hosted a simulated coronavirus pandemic exercise in October of 2019, is it appropriate to dismiss it as a mere coincidence?

At a certain point you have to concede the probability of a duck being the source of the waddling and quacking.

Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started

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Post by ramblerman »

underwater wrote: post #30

If you want to chase a conspiracy that actually matters, go find out who is pushing the narrative that COVID is fake and vaccines are dangerous. That conspiracy is literally killing thousands of people.

Why not both? Two things can matter at the same time.

If covid did leak from a lab, accidentally, but there was a cover up, that's also worth exploring no?

It feels like you are choosing because of political motivations.

Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started

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Post by blitzar »

syshum wrote: post #45
blitzar wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-... Coronavirus traces found in March 2019 sewage sample, Spanish study shows

The actual researchers do not make this claim. That is just another example of senesaional propaganda wrapped in a vener of journalism Their is a high probability it is a false positive as the gnome is very similar to mother infection

Then they ran tests on samples taken between January 2018 and December 2019 and found the presence of the virus genome in one of them, collected on March 12, 2019.

“The levels of SARS-CoV-2 were low but were positive,” research leader Albert Bosch was quoted as saying by the university.

quote must have been taken out of context for propaganda purposes

Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started

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Post by ramblerman »

daavidhauser wrote: post #4

why does the world need a proper investigation into that? Sometimes it seems to me that it’s just because we want someone to blame. Not because it would actually help anyone.

If we are looking for patient zero I agree, it's not relevant to place blame.

If this thing leaked from a lab, of course we would want to know! There can be lessons learned to prevent this in the future, and if the chinese government knew and covered it up, the world should definitely hold them accountable.

Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started

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Post by ghyiihdruh »

No, it doesn't.

It will only fuel anti-science sentiment all over the world and put scientists under scrutiny and attacks.

We need more science, not more science attacks.

It will also vindicate Trump like anti-scientists just when we need more science to tackle climate change, inequality, gender gap, and yes, search for viruses with pandemic risk due to human encroachment on wild life so we can be ready for them.

Any sort of lab leak confirmation will basically destroy the science of virology just when we need it most.

Just look at what Fukushima did to nuclear energy acceptance. Now more people die of coal burning radioactivity than ever died because of nuclear energy one. Do we really want to do the same with virology and molecular engineering, which are life saving sciences?

Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started

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Post by Fricken »

dannyw wrote: post #24
suzzer99 wrote: post #7

Determining how Covid started would be extremely important imo if there was a chance its release was intentional. But every virologist take I've read suggests that the virus does not look man-made. Nor would it seem that covid's effects and behavior could have possibly been known to any usable degree without the worldwide experiment that we've all been part of the last year and a half. And finally it's really hard to…

If China accidentally released this then the world deserves to know what happened so all labs in the world can learn from it.

We know lots about lab leaks, there have been 1000s of compromising incidents over the years. Each one is a lottery ticket. The winning lottery ticket doesn't really teach us anything that we can't learn from the losing tickets.

Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started

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Post by ramblerman »

cblconfederate wrote: post #13

Why? What would that change, apart from distracting everyone into another giant anti-china campaign? Would we solve covid if we knew how it came to be synthesized?

Can you imagine saying, we don't care what happened at chernobyl because it's anti russian.

Where does this weird narrative come from? The idea that properly investigating an event that completely shook the world to its core is somehow "insensitive".

I mean, let's just not investigate anything where we might not like the answer... Is that really a legitimate strategy in your mind.

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