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The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started

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Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started

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Post by philliphaydon »

darawk wrote: post #26

Honestly though, do we? Why? It almost certainly wasn't man made and intentional. That's the only case we really need to know the origin story for, and I don't think anyone serious thinks that is plausible. Otherwise, the worst case is that it was a lab accident of some kind. It'd be fun to point and blame China for it and all, but is it something we really need ?

We don’t know if it was man made or not, or intentional or not.

There’s a lot of conflicting evidence. What we do know is the ccp is blocking any sort of investigation into the origin and possible cause. They began trying to sweep it under the rug just like SARS.

The downside of all this is that the people of China suffer, when it’s not china that’s to blame. It’s the ccp.

Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started

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Post by White_Wolf »

alau1218 wrote: post #27
White_Wolf wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because a specific category of people want to blame either China or Russia for anything without any proof. In this particular case there were reports that the virus was present in Spain and Italy before China. They seem to ignore that and keep screeching that CHina is to blame. Edit: added source: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-...

This is just blatant fake news. We all know the virus first appeared in Wuhan China and then spread to the world. Please state you source before saying such an obvious lie.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-...

Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started

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Post by niea_11 »

syshum wrote: post #23
White_Wolf wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the earliest sample found of C19 was in Barcelona in march 2019(If I remember this well). 1+1=? I would say that you either want to blame someone in particular or Spain is a genocidal communist dictatorship.

Of course you you have a source for that right. All official sources I can find say the virus is traced to October or November 2019 origination on china with first cases in Spain from January 2020

I think @White_Wolf is talking about a study [0] done in 2020 by the university of Barcelona. But at the time the study was still in peer review phase.

The discovery of virus genome presence so early in Spain, if confirmed, would imply the disease may have appeared much earlier than the scientific community thought.

There was the potential for a false positive due to the virus’ similarities with other respiratory infections.

The research has been submitted for a peer review.

[0]: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-...

Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started

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Post by eurasiantiger »

bilvar wrote: post #12
zpeti wrote: post #2

Things like this usually come down to incentives. And right now I don’t see how almost any major power’s leaders have any incentive to push an investigation forwards. We are too dependent on China to piss them off, and so far experience shows we are much more likely to follow their demands than follow our own (Hollywood, NBA, Hong Kong, blizzard, albeit only one of those is geopolitical).

Are we just going to brush off the US’s involvement in funding WIV? And how even Fauci tried to cover that up? China is not the sole one to blame.

Well, if we are going to play the game where covert research implicates overt funding that specifically hinges on the funds not being used on such covert research (gain-of-function studies), we will definitely be barking up the wrong tree.

Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started

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Post by syshum »

blitzar wrote: post #34
syshum wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course you you have a source for that right. All official sources I can find say the virus is traced to October or November 2019 origination on china with first cases in Spain from January 2020

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-... Coronavirus traces found in March 2019 sewage sample, Spanish study shows

The actual researchers do not make this claim. That is just another example of senesaional propaganda wrapped in a vener of journalism

Their is a high probability it is a false positive as the gnome is very similar to mother infection

Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started

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Post by tluyben2 »

White_Wolf wrote: post #42
alau1218 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is just blatant fake news. We all know the virus first appeared in Wuhan China and then spread to the world. Please state you source before saying such an obvious lie.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-...

Did they redo the tests as requested by the Dutch (and other teams) as all the news only points to the original findings and then nothing. So maybe it was a false positive? Or contaminated sample?

The problem with this, if it were true, is that it will be very difficult to explain why there were not a lot of cases of misdiagnosed respiratory diseases in 2019 as we do know now that it is very contagious and what the symptoms are; they were not reported and definitely not on any scale.

We know it was in Wuhan well before January 2020 so that other sample from that month in Spain or other places would not be strange. A year earlier of course would be.

Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started

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Post by asplake »

padiyar83 wrote: post #33
underwater wrote: post #30

If you want to chase a conspiracy that actually matters, go find out who is pushing the narrative that COVID is fake and vaccines are dangerous. That conspiracy is literally killing thousands of people.

I don't think that's a conspiracy. Motivations there, however misplaced they may be, are quite clear.

Groups of people deliberately creating and spreading disinformation is by any sensible definition a conspiracy

Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started

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Post by eurasiantiger »

switch007 wrote: post #37
dkdk8283 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the more reason to piss them off and ween off our addiction to disposable junk and sweatshop priced labor. Given the impact to the world we all should be asking difficult questions.

You mean capitalists’ addiction to profit. Double my wage, I’ll buy made in the UK/EU much more often.

We can double your wage, but you first need to buy made in EU and stop buying cheap crap you don’t actually need.

Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started

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Post by adflux »

tomp wrote: post #25
dkdk8283 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the more reason to piss them off and ween off our addiction to disposable junk and sweatshop priced labor. Given the impact to the world we all should be asking difficult questions.

This is a reasonable argument and will be exactly as effective as presenting a reasonable argument to an addict is.

Love this comment

Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started

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Post by blitzar »

eurasiantiger wrote: post #40
blitzar wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-... Coronavirus traces found in March 2019 sewage sample, Spanish study shows

Funny they only find it now and not earlier. Do the researchers or the university happen to have a significant connection to China?

If by now you mean June 2020, then yes it is funny.

Could very well be false positives, probably is, could be that researchers were carrying out instructions from their 5g chips. Posted in response to people stating categorically that the parent comment made up a fact that does not exist and it was impossible to source, nothing more.

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