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How a fake network pushes pro-China propaganda

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Re: How a fake network pushes pro-China propaganda

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Post by pas »

trasz wrote: post #50
pas wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't have to trust anyone fully. In fact it's imperative to try to apply critical thinking to information that you encounter. (Both to counteract one's own and the other party's biases.) That said, one group has a history of shady (and overt) shit (from internment of Japanese Americans during WWII to MK Ultra to all the horrible things that have been unearthed during the years via FOIA, whistleblowers, investiga…

I find using the term “concentration camp” for something that resembles a youth correctional facility somewhat dishonest.

In a paranoid totalitarian ethno-state I don't think there's any real correction for minorities, only oppression. And the facilities are used accordingly.

Re: How a fake network pushes pro-China propaganda

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Post by _tik_ »

serial_dev wrote: post #46
hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I remember I had a colleague, a Chinese student, very nice person, we were going along nicely, until one day I mentioned the Dalai Lama, and he exploded. It seems like the brainwashing was very successful - he believed that the DL was a monster, killer, some demonic being aiming at the destruction of China and so on. I couldn't believe my ears. This person seemed otherwise completely normal.

I don't think it's a Chinese-only thing. I had a coworker from Spain, he was very "balanced" and reasonable on all things. One day, during the 2017 Catalan independence protests and referendum, we (non-Spanish people) tried to understand the different arguments and the current situation, and someone mentioned that IF (we didn't say it was the case, we said IF) one day the overwhelming majority of Catalonia wants to l…

Twelve people were killed because of cartoons

Re: How a fake network pushes pro-China propaganda

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Post by est »

hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #34
parrellel wrote: post #30

Now the question is are most of the comments on this thread examples or are they the social conditioned response of Chinese citizens abroad showing the flag. It can get pretty creepy how aggressive students - for example - get supporting their government. That flash mob behavior isn't as effective as the Russian's conflict stoking troll farms, but man does it drown out conversation, and god help you if you run into i…

Yeah I remember I had a colleague, a Chinese student, very nice person, we were going along nicely, until one day I mentioned the Dalai Lama, and he exploded. It seems like the brainwashing was very successful - he believed that the DL was a monster, killer, some demonic being aiming at the destruction of China and so on. I couldn't believe my ears. This person seemed otherwise completely normal.

> DL was a monster, killer, some demonic being aiming at the destruction of China

Or he is a democratically elected peaceful spiritual leader (like a reincarnated pope) from an independent theocratic serfdom kingdom?

Re: How a fake network pushes pro-China propaganda

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Post by calgoo »

serial_dev wrote: post #46
hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I remember I had a colleague, a Chinese student, very nice person, we were going along nicely, until one day I mentioned the Dalai Lama, and he exploded. It seems like the brainwashing was very successful - he believed that the DL was a monster, killer, some demonic being aiming at the destruction of China and so on. I couldn't believe my ears. This person seemed otherwise completely normal.

I don't think it's a Chinese-only thing. I had a coworker from Spain, he was very "balanced" and reasonable on all things. One day, during the 2017 Catalan independence protests and referendum, we (non-Spanish people) tried to understand the different arguments and the current situation, and someone mentioned that IF (we didn't say it was the case, we said IF) one day the overwhelming majority of Catalonia wants to l…

As someone who lives in Barcelona, it was a very strange time. The propaganda machine went into full swing, and they made the rest of the country hate everyone here. We heard rumours of higher up military generals suggesting that they send tanks to Barcelona to scare the people etc.

It still feels like it was just governments using it to split the people against each other instead of focusing on several political scandals that where going on.

Re: How a fake network pushes pro-China propaganda

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Post by trasz »

pas wrote: post #51
trasz wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find using the term “concentration camp” for something that resembles a youth correctional facility somewhat dishonest.

In a paranoid totalitarian ethno-state I don't think there's any real correction for minorities, only oppression. And the facilities are used accordingly.

I’m not talking about Chinese youth correctional facilities - no idea if they exist, I’d guess they do - but about the western ones. You get there for a couple of months, against your will, and you’ll be taught things like language, how to interact with the rest of society, and how you can fight stuff religious fundamentalists are forcing you to do. State propaganda calling that a concentration camp looks rather silly.

Re: How a fake network pushes pro-China propaganda

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Post by 0dayz »

throwSZ99 wrote: post #48
parrellel wrote: post #30

Now the question is are most of the comments on this thread examples or are they the social conditioned response of Chinese citizens abroad showing the flag. It can get pretty creepy how aggressive students - for example - get supporting their government. That flash mob behavior isn't as effective as the Russian's conflict stoking troll farms, but man does it drown out conversation, and god help you if you run into i…

Why should Westerners care about a "sprawling network of more than 350 fake social media profiles" when our own governments have been lying to us and spewing propaganda about almost everything of importance for DECADES? See my comment about GCHQ's JTRIG unit elsewhere on this page. Western propaganda campaigns are often a prelude to war. And they usually deploy several orders of magnitude more assets than "350 fake s…

Its quite peculiar you only post on topics that are about China.

Since you seem like a peace loving person then what do you think about what is happening in Xinjiang?

Also to debunk your obvious whataboutism.

First of wmd in Iraq has been confirmed before the Iraq War even happen.

Baby in incubator was something kuwait said to the us not the other way around.

Lastly never heard about wmd in Libya since they scrap it in 2003.

Re: How a fake network pushes pro-China propaganda

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Post by mjreacher »

throwSZ99 wrote: post #45
go_elmo wrote: post #18

Interesting, didnt know so many here are allergic to negative mentions of china, reacting with bbc flaming. Like cmon its just a dictatorship, accept it.

> allergic to negative mentions of china Not exactly. Some of us would rather first and primarily focus on the disinfo artists who are destroying Western democracies than point the finger at a country that doesn't claim to be free and fair and open. Pot, meet kettle: from the Wikipedia entry on Britain's GCHQ JTRIG unit: 'The scope of the JTRIG's mission includes using "dirty tricks" to "destroy, deny, degrade [and]…

Is there any evidence for the scale of such operations being conducted domestically?

Re: How a fake network pushes pro-China propaganda

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Post by hdjjhhvvhga »

est wrote: post #54
hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I remember I had a colleague, a Chinese student, very nice person, we were going along nicely, until one day I mentioned the Dalai Lama, and he exploded. It seems like the brainwashing was very successful - he believed that the DL was a monster, killer, some demonic being aiming at the destruction of China and so on. I couldn't believe my ears. This person seemed otherwise completely normal.

> DL was a monster, killer, some demonic being aiming at the destruction of China Or he is a democratically elected peaceful spiritual leader (like a reincarnated pope) from an independent theocratic serfdom kingdom?

This is the general tone that China justifies the invasion: Tibet was feudal, people were slaves, we liberated them, now everybody is happy.

There had been many bad things going on in Tibet, but it does not mean you can just invade the country, destroy all forms of religion, put people in prisons, starve and kill your victims, grab the resources, make the life of Tibetans miserable, and pretend you are the great liberator - only because of superior military power.

Many witnesses of what happened in the 50s are till alive, some managed to escape to India. When you read their testimony[0] all arguments of China become bleak.

[0] https://www.amazon.com/Autobiography-Tibetan-Monk-Palden-Gya...

Re: How a fake network pushes pro-China propaganda

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Post by 0dayz »

coldtea wrote: post #41
go_elmo wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

no one assumed that? The point is everyone can say whatever that person wants, including ANY journalists. Being afraid of some "government policy" is a paranoia coming from countries where the first point does not apply, projecting their own fears to others

> Being afraid of some "government policy" is a paranoia coming from countries where the first point does not apply So like a long tradition from Gary Webb to Assange, cancel culture, attacks on the integrity and reputation (and de-platforming) of people like Taibbi or Greenwald, and so on?

>cancel culture

Damn the uk gov sits on Twitter all day?

Maybe these people you bring up isn't as benevolent as you think they are?

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