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Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting Sept. 1

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Re: Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting Sept. 1

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Post by slashdev »

frereubu wrote: post #48
post_break wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If anything it has made it better, which I'm sure a lot of people will roll their eyes at, but people are much less likely to start anything if they know most people are carrying. I know the media skews your views on america, but it's not like the movies, we're not over here root'n toot'n with our guns out like it's the wild west. I have lived in Texas for 10 years and have seen 1 or 2 guns in holsters. Every other o…

Yeah, having visited a few times I get that the media portrayal of the US being a 21st century Western is off. And I sort of get the idea that "people are much less likely to start anything if they know most people are carrying". But there's a tacit assumption in there that criminals have guns. For all that legal owners may not be a problem in the vast majority of cases, the more firearms there are, the bigger the po…

I don't want to go further down a tangent here, but you also see how little Americans trust their government in the number of people reluctant to get vaccinated and the number of people who seriously believe the election was stolen. Both of those examples are mostly right leaning people. But this is also the same group that's most interested in gun rights. Is there similar distrust for the government on the left, if so how does it present? What irrational behaviours do democrats have because they distrust their government - or is distrust of the government mostly focused in the right of the political spectrum?

Re: Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting Sept. 1

#52

Post by Grakel »

slashdev wrote: post #51
frereubu wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, having visited a few times I get that the media portrayal of the US being a 21st century Western is off. And I sort of get the idea that "people are much less likely to start anything if they know most people are carrying". But there's a tacit assumption in there that criminals have guns. For all that legal owners may not be a problem in the vast majority of cases, the more firearms there are, the bigger the po…

I don't want to go further down a tangent here, but you also see how little Americans trust their government in the number of people reluctant to get vaccinated and the number of people who seriously believe the election was stolen. Both of those examples are mostly right leaning people. But this is also the same group that's most interested in gun rights. Is there similar distrust for the government on the left, if…

Wanting to defund the police? Having this opinion and at the same time wanting to ban guns is truly puzzling.

Re: Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting Sept. 1

#53

Post by Grakel »

frereubu wrote: post #42
Grakel wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is very little gun violence in the US. What you're seeing is a media problem.

But if you look here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-r... - the USA has a very high per-capita gun homicide rate (4.46) compared to most other comparable countries (e.g. the G7 countries which are 0.2, 0.52, 2.33, 1.04, 1.13 and 0.02). Interesting that France (2.33) is so high - I hadn't realised that.

The vast majority (practically all) gun homicides happen in a handful of counties where guns are completely banned and are gang members killing gang members.

That's a cultural and economic problem that isn't solved by gun laws.

Re: Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting Sept. 1

#54

Post by eloff »

Grakel wrote: post #52
slashdev wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to go further down a tangent here, but you also see how little Americans trust their government in the number of people reluctant to get vaccinated and the number of people who seriously believe the election was stolen. Both of those examples are mostly right leaning people. But this is also the same group that's most interested in gun rights. Is there similar distrust for the government on the left, if…

Wanting to defund the police? Having this opinion and at the same time wanting to ban guns is truly puzzling.

Good example! So mistrust of the government is probably universal in the US and just presents differently on the left and the right.

> Having this opinion and at the same time wanting to ban guns is truly puzzling.

It's irrational, don't try to apply logic to it. It's a simplistic emotional response.

Re: Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting Sept. 1

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Post by Grakel »

eloff wrote: post #54
Grakel wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wanting to defund the police? Having this opinion and at the same time wanting to ban guns is truly puzzling.

Good example! So mistrust of the government is probably universal in the US and just presents differently on the left and the right. > Having this opinion and at the same time wanting to ban guns is truly puzzling. It's irrational, don't try to apply logic to it. It's a simplistic emotional response.

That's my view.

Re: Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting Sept. 1

#56

Post by Grakel »

frereubu wrote: post #48
post_break wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If anything it has made it better, which I'm sure a lot of people will roll their eyes at, but people are much less likely to start anything if they know most people are carrying. I know the media skews your views on america, but it's not like the movies, we're not over here root'n toot'n with our guns out like it's the wild west. I have lived in Texas for 10 years and have seen 1 or 2 guns in holsters. Every other o…

Yeah, having visited a few times I get that the media portrayal of the US being a 21st century Western is off. And I sort of get the idea that "people are much less likely to start anything if they know most people are carrying". But there's a tacit assumption in there that criminals have guns. For all that legal owners may not be a problem in the vast majority of cases, the more firearms there are, the bigger the po…

Ask Vietnam or Afghanistan if you can fight off the American military with rifles.

Re: Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting Sept. 1

#57

Post by Tade0 »

post_break wrote: post #44
procgen wrote: post #38

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A gun wants to be used. Let's let it simmer a few more decades and see what happens.

Ok Vermont has had it for decades. You can be 16 years old and carry in that state. Resident and non-resident. Wait and see has passed.

Vermont's largest city has a whopping 42k inhabitants - at this scale it isn't surprising that this has no noticeable negative effects.

Re: Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting Sept. 1

#59

Post by oliwarner »

post_break wrote: post #19

This helps eliminate a victimless crime. The criminals will still carry illegally and this bill actually upgrades the felony for those who are caught carrying who legally could not. Now someone who needs to carry who can't afford the overpriced classes, fingerprints, waiting for the state to mail you a card to give you your rights is gone. A lot of poor people need to carry a gun for protection, and either cant affor…

It's so bleak that people think the solution to violent lawlessness is more guns, more violence.

Now in the hands of untrained civilians. Normally you could say their unadulterated freedom allows them to commit accidents, but that's hard to swallow when you've just said the poor are desperate and without sufficient support from law enforcement. That's not freedom.

Re: Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting Sept. 1

#60

Post by colsandurz »

oliwarner wrote: post #59
post_break wrote: post #19

This helps eliminate a victimless crime. The criminals will still carry illegally and this bill actually upgrades the felony for those who are caught carrying who legally could not. Now someone who needs to carry who can't afford the overpriced classes, fingerprints, waiting for the state to mail you a card to give you your rights is gone. A lot of poor people need to carry a gun for protection, and either cant affor…

It's so bleak that people think the solution to violent lawlessness is more guns , more violence. Now in the hands of untrained civilians. Normally you could say their unadulterated freedom allows them to commit accidents, but that's hard to swallow when you've just said the poor are desperate and without sufficient support from law enforcement. That's not freedom.

What’s wrong with giving people options?
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