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Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by tinus_hn »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #21
djxfade wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last few years I have been flying, my ID has been checked before entering the security check. This was a recent change introduced a few years ago. I presume this is done everywhere in Europe.

same experience here and I'm also all over Europe. The time when you could just fly without hassle only lasted a few years. Now I have to look into the empty eyes of some dweeb wanting to check my passport like I'm entering Beirut in 1982. I feel obliged to thank them out of artificial politeness but really want to just ask them why they had to get a job that allows them to display power. Not that these checks ever p…

Someone is checking your passport so they know it’s the person who is on the ticket. It’s not a conspiracy to collect ids because the government already has all the information on the ID and you had to identify yourself to buy the ticket.

The difference due to the Schengen Agreement is that on landing you can just pick up your luggage and go, there is no border patrol checking your belongings.

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by Kbelicius »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #33
jamesrr39 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also in Europe, but with a completely different experience; it is (well, was, pre-covid) easy to move between EU states. Within the Schengen Zone it's only the check at the gate to check your ID matches your boarding pass (so no check at "immigration"), and to/from the UK the electronic gates have really sped things up (compared to the old days). YMMV but I find I'm rarely waiting more than a few minutes at the immig…

interesting. this seems to indicate that Schengen countries decided on a national level if they wanted to do checks on their borders. I have seen hard passport checks within Schengen in Croatia, Sweden, Germany, France and Portugal. Good to hear the UK has improved. I should have mentioned I haven't been there since 2018. I was expecting that brexit made things worse and had no idea

Croatia is not part of Schengen so there shouldn't be any surprise about them doing the hard checks. They are hoping to enter this year.

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by SahAssar »

trhway wrote: post #47
helsinkiandrew wrote: post #9

It looks like the Belarus KGB was on the flight anyway - presumably the journalist was being followed/tracked: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/24/belarus-seizur...

Belarus official version is that Protasevich's girlfriend send a photo of him from the Athens airport to a guy (Anton Motolko) who is officially considered extremist or something like this by Belarus and who published the photo in his Telegram where monitoring it Belarus authorities saw the photo. If it is true, then the social media is definitely wet dream of state authorities like Stazi.

I thought the official Belarus line was that they had a tip about a bomb and that when the plane landed they "happened" to find a wanted person on board? Are they now admitting that the plane was forced down to arrest him?

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by kwanbix »

trhway wrote: post #47
helsinkiandrew wrote: post #9

It looks like the Belarus KGB was on the flight anyway - presumably the journalist was being followed/tracked: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/24/belarus-seizur...

Belarus official version is that Protasevich's girlfriend send a photo of him from the Athens airport to a guy (Anton Motolko) who is officially considered extremist or something like this by Belarus and who published the photo in his Telegram where monitoring it Belarus authorities saw the photo. If it is true, then the social media is definitely wet dream of state authorities like Stazi.

Isn't Telegram e2e encrypted? Or I am understanding your comment wrong?

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by Kbelicius »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #46
philwelch wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US citizens taking domestic flights have to show ID.

I did not know that. Some websites claim US nationals do not need a passport to travel domestically https://www.skyscanner.com/tips-and-inspiration/editorial/pa... and while in 2021 europa.eu website says EU nationals do not need a passport to travel within Schengen this has already been not true before covid. Arrive at FRA or MUC or CDG and you will end up having to show your passport either at a manned booth or a m…

I think you are mixing id with passport. I doubt that you need a passport to fly internally in US. I know that as a EU citizen you absolutely do not need a passport to fly within the EU but you do need some form of id.

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by xarici_ishler »

kwanbix wrote: post #54
trhway wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Belarus official version is that Protasevich's girlfriend send a photo of him from the Athens airport to a guy (Anton Motolko) who is officially considered extremist or something like this by Belarus and who published the photo in his Telegram where monitoring it Belarus authorities saw the photo. If it is true, then the social media is definitely wet dream of state authorities like Stazi.

Isn't Telegram e2e encrypted? Or I am understanding your comment wrong?

That's a common misconception. Telegram private chats are by default not e2e encrypted (but you can create a separate "secret chat", which will be).

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by anfilt »

gabereiser wrote: post #26
anfilt wrote: post #17

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Is there anyway to buy/book directly instead going through this Amadeus, and this Sabre software you mention?

Not anymore there isn't. All bookings go through one of the travel systems (Amadeus or Sabre). There's no skirting around it unless you fly a private jet and even then, some share passenger manifests with FAA to clear no-fly lists when they file their IFR plans.

So only the wealthy, can avoid sharing their travel info with whoever else is reading this data... What a shame

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by cnorthwood »

nicoburns wrote: post #45
Broken_Hippo wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it is. While a lot of folks don't use google, a lot of folks do , and have for a while. It isn't like it is the first time a brand became something more: Band-aid and Kleenex are items as well as brands, for example. You might Xerox that contract, too, even though you probably aren't using a Xerox brand machine to do so. Maybe you call all soda a "coke" - and asked someone, "What flavor of coke do you w…

While not completely alien here in the UK, using brand names for generic concepts is a bit of an Americanism (perhaps because of a cultural tendency to glorify private business?) "Band-aids" are plasters (short for sticking plasters) here, and "Kleenex" are tissues (even if they're actually kleenex branded). Having said that, to "google" something or to "photoshop" something are both in common usage here. I suspect t…

I think it's cultural. We have some brand names where I believe Americans don't, for example. For example, we hoover where Americans vacuum.

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by matkoniecz »

trhway wrote: post #47
helsinkiandrew wrote: post #9

It looks like the Belarus KGB was on the flight anyway - presumably the journalist was being followed/tracked: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/24/belarus-seizur...

Belarus official version is that Protasevich's girlfriend send a photo of him from the Athens airport to a guy (Anton Motolko) who is officially considered extremist or something like this by Belarus and who published the photo in his Telegram where monitoring it Belarus authorities saw the photo. If it is true, then the social media is definitely wet dream of state authorities like Stazi.

> Belarus official version

Why it would be treated seriously, especially after they blatantly lied about supposed bomb? And obviously fake bomb threat from Hamas of all things?

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by kwanbix »

xarici_ishler wrote: post #56
kwanbix wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't Telegram e2e encrypted? Or I am understanding your comment wrong?

That's a common misconception. Telegram private chats are by default not e2e encrypted (but you can create a separate "secret chat", which will be).

Really? What does it mean in practical terms? Anyone can see my chats?

Is it worst than Whatsapp in that sense? I understand (again) that WA is e2e encrypted by default?

Thanks!

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