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Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by hulitu »

oytis wrote: post #48
levosmetalo wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

List of countries where "the West" organized a coup against a "corrupt murderer dictator" to establish "democratic elected government": - Ukraine - Syria - Libya - Georgia - Iraq - Iran - Afghanistan - Yugoslavia - Venezuela - Cuba - ex-Yugoslavia - Chile - ... All those countries were devastated by the "democratization". I would like to see one example where that went good for the local population in general and whe…

Former Yugoslavia countries are doing pretty well actually. Genocides has been stopped, nations were able to establish their own countries, none of them returned to a dictatorship, all have democratically elected governments. Definitely better than before.

And the economy was destroyed. Definitely better than before.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by ramtatatam »

viraptor wrote: post #41
ramtatatam wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm reading about people wanting to get rid of Putin since at least 2010, the sad reality 10 years later is that he is still there...

I don't think anyone who wants to get rid of Putin expected a change on the same day and gives up if that doesn't work. It will take time and a lot of work. (Unless they want an assassination)

Nobody says that expectation is to change the dictator the same day, it's simple statement of fact, that it's much easier said than done.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by RicoElectrico »

dandanua wrote: post #46
Jkae80 wrote: post #20

Let's condemn Russia always always always but let's look away from the US trying to create vassal states in Europe to antagonize Russia. It's like hearing the brain-dead old George Bush: United States/West good, Russia bad, very bad. Let's see how many NGOs and US spies have been working to undermine Belarus sovereignty. Even in Syria American politicians accepted the fact that US supported directy terrorists who wan…

US and Russia are not the same at all. Just look what Russia did to North Korea and what US did to South Korea. The Russian power order is a cancer of the Earth.

This. Russian state doesn't care about its own society either. And people were conditioned to believe there's no alternative.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by pjc50 »

baybal2 wrote: post #37
iyn wrote: post #15

I've been following the situation in Belarus since last August and it's really terrible. I admire how so many brave people look death in the eye and still fight for freedom. I have friends there and this allowed me to understand that there's so much potential in Belarus -- there are so many talented, intelligent people getting by in this adversarial environment. So sad to see how Lukashenko's kleptocracy regime waste…

> Anyway -- you can help! The best way to help them now is to send arms, but that if of course if you can get them through the border. Belarus knows that they can't trust army drafted from regular men, and that's why the army was sent off to seal the borders, while the special police monsters are let to keep doing their atrocities inside cities. The West is also unwittingly facilitates this by keeping shutting down a…

Turning Belarus into Yugoslavia is not going to improve the situation.

> Warsaw being the one initiating this with Belarus opposition.

?

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by LatteLazy »

anovikov wrote: post #3

I really don't understand what are these protesters trying to achieve. I like Belarus and spent years there. Hard to guess why would anyone want to shake the boat and risk the country getting annexed by Russia.

Young people have been sold the promise that working hard and getting educated means they can have a nice life. Now that either needs to be fulfilled (cutting corruption, upsetting Russia etc). Or the rest of the country needs to admit it was a lie and watch all the young, educated, hard working people leave for the west.

This isn't specific to Belarus, only the local details (democracy, Russia etc) differentiate it from say Hong Kong or brexit Britian really.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by baybal2 »

iyn wrote: post #44
baybal2 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Anyway -- you can help! The best way to help them now is to send arms, but that if of course if you can get them through the border. Belarus knows that they can't trust army drafted from regular men, and that's why the army was sent off to seal the borders, while the special police monsters are let to keep doing their atrocities inside cities. The West is also unwittingly facilitates this by keeping shutting down a…

I'm talking about an action that an individual can take. Is it enough in the grand scale of things? No. Does it make a positive difference in a day-to-day life for people in Belarus? Yes it does (e.g. knowing where the local meeting is happening, where the thugs are etc.). Can you do more? Always.

Roughly speaking, $1m is enough to feed, and arm a force of a 1000 with small arms only for 1 to 2 months, with men under arms being responsible for their own livelihood beyond basics.

That's a very small amount of time. And without a training, and heavy arms, none will be a good match even against Belarusian standing army.

The challenge is to use up money in the shortest, and most impactful way possible. The longer men stay in the field doing nothing, the more money is burned on canned food, and toilet paper rather than diminishing enemy fighting power.

Yes, individuals can arm a significant amount of volunteers, and even keep inflicting the damage for a few weeks. A battalion of complete war rookies can do things if it strikes first, attacks softer targets other than standing military, and focus on high cost/opportunity operations like enemy's command chain, and political leadership.

But in the larger scheme of things, even $1m is a pocket change on the scale of nation states, and completely pales to what a military of even smallest European states can do both force, and material wise.

Yes, get your politicians involved, get your state involved. Even a third grade caucus can easily dish out 8 digit sums in US without even blinking.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by pjc50 »

postingawayonhn wrote: post #14
anovikov wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The choice is simple: Lukashenka or Putin. I'd pick Lukashenka, at least some form of quasi-independent Belarus is better than none at all. It is so patently obvious that no non-manipulated Belarus will be allowed to exist... Just because all country is Russian speaking - even to a bigger degree than Crimea and is wholly owned by the Russian propaganda reality tunnel.

You do realise that a lot of people in Russia want to get rid of Putin too? And neither dictator will live forever, both are in their late 60s.

> both are in their late 60s.

Joe Biden (78) just replaced Donald Trump (74). Prince Phillip died at the age of 99. Putin has a long way to go on natural lifespan.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by oytis »

hulitu wrote: post #51
oytis wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Former Yugoslavia countries are doing pretty well actually. Genocides has been stopped, nations were able to establish their own countries, none of them returned to a dictatorship, all have democratically elected governments. Definitely better than before.

And the economy was destroyed. Definitely better than before.

That's a bold claim. It was a communist dictatorship first - not sure if there is a reasonable way to compare GDP of a communist country with a normal country. Then there was an endless civil war - that's hardly good for economy too.

Today these are quite comparable to other Eastern European countries. Croatia has a larger GDP per capita than Romania, Montenegro is somewhere in Turkey's league, Serbia is pretty poor, but still much better than Belarus and Ukraine.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by ohashi »

esperent wrote: post #43
Jkae80 wrote: post #20

Let's condemn Russia always always always but let's look away from the US trying to create vassal states in Europe to antagonize Russia. It's like hearing the brain-dead old George Bush: United States/West good, Russia bad, very bad. Let's see how many NGOs and US spies have been working to undermine Belarus sovereignty. Even in Syria American politicians accepted the fact that US supported directy terrorists who wan…

> techcrunch is a mouthpiece of the US based interests. I haven't heard this before, where are you getting this claim from?

From his bot master probably

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by fakedang »

trhway wrote: post #13
liaukovv wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't believe those are the only choices.

Because of the history in those places, new Belarus will immediately try to join EU and NATO. That is an option which Russia will try to prevent. As history shows there are some windows of opportunity for the things to go either way. It seems that the major escalation is coming in Donbass - Ukraine has beefed up the forces, and in particular brought in the Turkish drones which (being very successful against Russian m…

EU and NATO will not let Belarus in because of a long standing agreement.
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