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Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by viraptor »

ramtatatam wrote: post #35
postingawayonhn wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do realise that a lot of people in Russia want to get rid of Putin too? And neither dictator will live forever, both are in their late 60s.

I'm reading about people wanting to get rid of Putin since at least 2010, the sad reality 10 years later is that he is still there...

I don't think anyone who wants to get rid of Putin expected a change on the same day and gives up if that doesn't work. It will take time and a lot of work. (Unless they want an assassination)

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by yxhuvud »

anovikov wrote: post #9
thecopy wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fair elections.

This is a pipe dream. If someone who isn't a Putin handpicked puppet gets elected, country will be taken over. Face reality: even the Belarusian KGB people are trained in Moscow (they don't have an academy of their own, just kept things the way they were in Soviet times). It's just a facade of independence. Whatever small bits of real independence exist, are only there of Lukashenka's personal ambitions to "own" the…

It is a pipe dream until it isn't. And it isn't up to you to decide when it stops being a pipe dream.

Do you realize that if everyone reasoned like you, then there would be no elections anywhere but instead every country would still be monarchies?

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by esperent »

Jkae80 wrote: post #20

Let's condemn Russia always always always but let's look away from the US trying to create vassal states in Europe to antagonize Russia. It's like hearing the brain-dead old George Bush: United States/West good, Russia bad, very bad. Let's see how many NGOs and US spies have been working to undermine Belarus sovereignty. Even in Syria American politicians accepted the fact that US supported directy terrorists who wan…

> techcrunch is a mouthpiece of the US based interests.

I haven't heard this before, where are you getting this claim from?

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by iyn »

baybal2 wrote: post #37
iyn wrote: post #15

I've been following the situation in Belarus since last August and it's really terrible. I admire how so many brave people look death in the eye and still fight for freedom. I have friends there and this allowed me to understand that there's so much potential in Belarus -- there are so many talented, intelligent people getting by in this adversarial environment. So sad to see how Lukashenko's kleptocracy regime waste…

> Anyway -- you can help! The best way to help them now is to send arms, but that if of course if you can get them through the border. Belarus knows that they can't trust army drafted from regular men, and that's why the army was sent off to seal the borders, while the special police monsters are let to keep doing their atrocities inside cities. The West is also unwittingly facilitates this by keeping shutting down a…

I'm talking about an action that an individual can take. Is it enough in the grand scale of things? No. Does it make a positive difference in a day-to-day life for people in Belarus? Yes it does (e.g. knowing where the local meeting is happening, where the thugs are etc.). Can you do more? Always.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by baybal2 »

baq wrote: post #40
baybal2 wrote: post #37

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> Anyway -- you can help! The best way to help them now is to send arms, but that if of course if you can get them through the border. Belarus knows that they can't trust army drafted from regular men, and that's why the army was sent off to seal the borders, while the special police monsters are let to keep doing their atrocities inside cities. The West is also unwittingly facilitates this by keeping shutting down a…

you really think having a civil war right around the corner, practically on the other side of the fence, is something any country wants to have? not to mention having an armed rebellion means putin's intervention is guaranteed and then belarus just becomes another federal district.

> you really think having a civil war right around the corner, practically on the other side of the fence, is something any country wants to have?

If you don't want a civil war on the other side of the fence, go and win it.

With current discord in the Belorussian armed forces, double digit desertion rate, broken command chain, even the smallest NATO armies can easily plough though them.

Your bigger problem will be the militarised special police, paramilitaries, and secret services, which are in fact, bigger, and better armed, and trained than the standing military (this is the same situation you have across all Eastern Bloc btw.)

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by dandanua »

Jkae80 wrote: post #20

Let's condemn Russia always always always but let's look away from the US trying to create vassal states in Europe to antagonize Russia. It's like hearing the brain-dead old George Bush: United States/West good, Russia bad, very bad. Let's see how many NGOs and US spies have been working to undermine Belarus sovereignty. Even in Syria American politicians accepted the fact that US supported directy terrorists who wan…

US and Russia are not the same at all. Just look what Russia did to North Korea and what US did to South Korea. The Russian power order is a cancer of the Earth.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by sam_lowry_ »

anovikov wrote: post #9
thecopy wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fair elections.

This is a pipe dream. If someone who isn't a Putin handpicked puppet gets elected, country will be taken over. Face reality: even the Belarusian KGB people are trained in Moscow (they don't have an academy of their own, just kept things the way they were in Soviet times). It's just a facade of independence. Whatever small bits of real independence exist, are only there of Lukashenka's personal ambitions to "own" the…

Belarusian KGB has an academy on its own, and it existed since after WWII: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%D0%BD%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8...

KGB office in Minsk was always quite big and powerful in Soviet times.

Fun fact 1: head of FSB Patrushev studied in that academy.

Fun fact 2: Lee Harvey Oswald lived in Minsk under KGB control for a few years.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by oytis »

levosmetalo wrote: post #38
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #31

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Lets imagine the coup is orchestrated by the West. The guy currently in charge is corrupt and a murderer. Is living in Belarus going to get worse without him?

List of countries where "the West" organized a coup against a "corrupt murderer dictator" to establish "democratic elected government": - Ukraine - Syria - Libya - Georgia - Iraq - Iran - Afghanistan - Yugoslavia - Venezuela - Cuba - ex-Yugoslavia - Chile - ... All those countries were devastated by the "democratization". I would like to see one example where that went good for the local population in general and whe…

Former Yugoslavia countries are doing pretty well actually. Genocides has been stopped, nations were able to establish their own countries, none of them returned to a dictatorship, all have democratically elected governments. Definitely better than before.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by powerapple »

levosmetalo wrote: post #38
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lets imagine the coup is orchestrated by the West. The guy currently in charge is corrupt and a murderer. Is living in Belarus going to get worse without him?

List of countries where "the West" organized a coup against a "corrupt murderer dictator" to establish "democratic elected government": - Ukraine - Syria - Libya - Georgia - Iraq - Iran - Afghanistan - Yugoslavia - Venezuela - Cuba - ex-Yugoslavia - Chile - ... All those countries were devastated by the "democratization". I would like to see one example where that went good for the local population in general and whe…

The problem is that West is not helping them enough. Try finishing Iraq first before getting into other places. Building Iraq will take more time than bombing Iraq. It will need sending money instead of extracting oil. The problem is that, no, that's not what people want. You only want Sadam to go and don't care about anything else. The media, the NGO, the activists just move on to next target because it is always easy to pointing out a problem than fixing a problem.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by sam_lowry_ »

ramtatatam wrote: post #30
maratc wrote: post #26

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This is irrelevant to my point, which is: If you have a 2,500-strong manufacturing plant, the government can come and take over your plant. If you have a 2,500-strong bank, the government can come and take over your bank. If you have a 2,500-strong property-holding company, the government can come and take over your company and your properties. But if you have a 2,500-strong software development center, the governmen…

I was very worried when I was reading about FSB entering NginX offices in Russia. I think your statement might be a bit too optimistic..

And they got nothing out of it.
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