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LulzSec Topples EVE Online, Minecraft, League of Legends and other Servers

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Re: LulzSec Topples EVE Online, Minecraft, League of Legends and other Servers

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Post by daeken »

der_ketzer wrote: post #34
lwat wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These attacks are annoying and damaging but in the long run they make our internet stronger. If these didn't happen so often people would care a lot less about security and robustness.

Should I rob every house that doesn't have an alarm or leaves the window open? I agree with you it "helps" to care more about security and robustness. But I don't agree in the way. I have a dream that one day my website with minimum security won't be hacked for lulz and will be treated with respect. =)

Let's phrase this in another hyperbole, shall we? Should you rob every bank that doesn't have an alarm or leaves the vault open? No. But if a lot of banks had no policies in place to prevent those things from occurring, would you feel more secure that someone was walking into the bank, taking photos of their break-in, and not stealing the money?

I don't agree with their means (it's wrong, IMO, to mess with any machine you don't have permission to mess with) but their end goal aligns with mine: make the world more secure.

> I have a dream that one day my website with minimum security won't be hacked for lulz and will be treated with respect. =)

Would you rather have your site hacked for lulz, or would you rather someone go in and sell your customer's data on the black market?

Re: LulzSec Topples EVE Online, Minecraft, League of Legends and other Servers

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Post by socillion »

cube13 wrote: post #33
lwat wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These attacks are annoying and damaging but in the long run they make our internet stronger. If these didn't happen so often people would care a lot less about security and robustness.

The attacks on the Minecraft and EVE servers were DDOS attacks. Nothing sophisticated, and the easy way to avoid them is to just get more servers, which really isn't a good solution for smaller developers. EDIT: I suspect the only reason they didn't succeed getting to Blizzard is because WoW was down for Tuesday maintenance.

I suspect the reason is simply because they don't have the resources. EVE maxes out at about 35-40k simultaneous connections, WoW is probably closer to 400-500k per region.

edit - # of accounts is 360k vs 12mil.

Re: LulzSec Topples EVE Online, Minecraft, League of Legends and other Servers

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Post by [deleted] »

lwat wrote: post #28
citricsquid wrote: post #19

When they're attacking Sony it's "righteous" and "good", when they're attacking companies we like they're "bad" and "immature". They've always stated their intention is to create "lulz" and just do whatever damage they can, apparently people overlooked this when they were attacking people everyone "hated". Luckily Minecraft wasn't down for too long, some of us are directly affected by this stuff, sigh. The internet i…

These attacks are annoying and damaging but in the long run they make our internet stronger. If these didn't happen so often people would care a lot less about security and robustness.

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Re: LulzSec Topples EVE Online, Minecraft, League of Legends and other Servers

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Post by Cushman »

daeken wrote: post #32
Cushman wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If these didn't happen so often people wouldn't need to. Why should Random Internet Game care about security aside from dicks like these guys?

Because people that actually want your credit card info, game source, etc aren't talking about it on the web. They're just doing it. If you care about the integrity of your data, you damn well better care about your security.

That's not what happened here, though. There wasn't any release of server info; from the tweets, this was just a string of DDoS attacks.

If my account information or personal details are vulnerable to theft somehow, I want to know about that. But if a server I play games on can be taken down by DDoS, I'd happily go the rest of my life not knowing or caring so long as it doesn't actually happen. It contributes about as much as showing me that that bridge I like to drive over is susceptible to bombing.

Not that I play any of these games, mind.

Re: LulzSec Topples EVE Online, Minecraft, League of Legends and other Servers

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Post by hugh3 »

lwat wrote: post #28
citricsquid wrote: post #19

When they're attacking Sony it's "righteous" and "good", when they're attacking companies we like they're "bad" and "immature". They've always stated their intention is to create "lulz" and just do whatever damage they can, apparently people overlooked this when they were attacking people everyone "hated". Luckily Minecraft wasn't down for too long, some of us are directly affected by this stuff, sigh. The internet i…

These attacks are annoying and damaging but in the long run they make our internet stronger. If these didn't happen so often people would care a lot less about security and robustness.

Sure, and I can go around punching people in the face and tell 'em that I'm doing 'em a favour by reminding them to always wear a full-face helmet when out in public.

But if nobody except me is a big enough asshole to go round punching people in the face at random...

Re: LulzSec Topples EVE Online, Minecraft, League of Legends and other Servers

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Post by hugh3 »

daeken wrote: post #51
der_ketzer wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should I rob every house that doesn't have an alarm or leaves the window open? I agree with you it "helps" to care more about security and robustness. But I don't agree in the way. I have a dream that one day my website with minimum security won't be hacked for lulz and will be treated with respect. =)

Let's phrase this in another hyperbole, shall we? Should you rob every bank that doesn't have an alarm or leaves the vault open? No. But if a lot of banks had no policies in place to prevent those things from occurring, would you feel more secure that someone was walking into the bank, taking photos of their break-in, and not stealing the money? I don't agree with their means (it's wrong, IMO, to mess with any machin…

But if these are just DDOSes, then (a) there's no way to steal sensitive information that way, and (b) there's no real defence against 'em anyway. So this particular argument is pointless, right?

There's an argument for whiteish-hat intrusions, but DDOSes must be intrinsically black-hat, right?

Re: LulzSec Topples EVE Online, Minecraft, League of Legends and other Servers

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Post by hugh3 »

marcamillion wrote: post #46

This is just getting tired and dumb now. It's no longer funny. It's like the joke you told at a party that everybody laughed at. Then you told it 5 more times before you left the party. Unfortunately, I don't see them stopping any time soon. Soo....

Ah, but to them, the more you complain that it's not funny any more, the funnier it gets.

It's kinda like a destructive version of people who say "That's what she said".

Re: LulzSec Topples EVE Online, Minecraft, League of Legends and other Servers

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Post by calebmpeterson »

corin_ wrote: post #43

How is it that so much coverage of LulzSec still hasn't understood their motives? The group's agenda isn't entirely clear right now Yes, it is, they're doing it because they find it funny.

you'd think their name would make this motivation apparent...

Re: LulzSec Topples EVE Online, Minecraft, League of Legends and other Servers

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Post by MiguelHudnandez »

der_ketzer wrote: post #34
lwat wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These attacks are annoying and damaging but in the long run they make our internet stronger. If these didn't happen so often people would care a lot less about security and robustness.

Should I rob every house that doesn't have an alarm or leaves the window open? I agree with you it "helps" to care more about security and robustness. But I don't agree in the way. I have a dream that one day my website with minimum security won't be hacked for lulz and will be treated with respect. =)

Should you? No. But I guarantee if you did, the publicity would educate people about locks.

A more apt analogy might be: opening a poorly locked door to a business, then walking behind the counter and grabbing full print-outs of all their customers' information that was left lying there.

I hope you don't take the same lax approach to security when it's more than your personal documents at stake.

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