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German police take down 'world's largest darknet marketplace'

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Re: German police take down 'world's largest darknet marketplace'

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No matter what anyone says, I believe with every fiber of my being that simple drug dealing is a victimless crime. Free people choose to purchase and consume drugs to their own detriment (benefit). All violence related to the sale of drugs is ancillary to the fact some drugs (but not others - alcohol, marijuana, caffeine for starters) are illegal. https://freeross.org/

Without getting into detailed arguments have a look into the opium wars (basically the UK forcing China to keep accepting opium imports) and the effects opium had on Chinese society. Super interesting and a case in point about how drugs - much less addictive compared to modern standards - when used at scale and widely available can destroy the fabric of society. There is no country where drugs are legal, just some wh…

Im pretty sure that hashish was invented and used long before it was banned. And it has its traditions of consumption and production. Does not look like a thing destroying fabtics of sociaty. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashish

Re: German police take down 'world's largest darknet marketplace'

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Url changed from https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/worlds-largest-darknet-... , which points to this. " Please submit the original source. If a post reports on something found on another site, submit the latter. " https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

How did you find out it wasn't the original? I didn't realize bitcoin magazine did that. The quotes in the title should be around "world's largest" only (since they're about the inability to fully know what's happening on the dark web)

I just looked in the article and saw what it linked to.

I'm not sure I follow your point about the quotes but it's the article's own title and it doesn't appear to be misleading or linkbait, so we can probably just keep it. (From the guidelines: "Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize.")

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: German police take down 'world's largest darknet marketplace'

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if you're dealing drugs on a black market you're not paying taxes, you may be selling drugs to children, which is definitely not a victimless crime, and you're likely facilitate all other sorts of crime and money laundering. Not to mention that some drugs are so addictive and destructive that jurisdictions have good reason to stop their distribution.

If what you are selling is illegal, there is nothing but a black market on which to sell. There is nothing stopping the liquor store from selling alcohol to wife beaters and child abusers. On taxes, to be honest I don't like those either, although I pay every dollar I am legally required to and actively avoid paying all taxes I can legally avoid paying. As I'm someone publicly arguing for the legalization of all drug…

all the things you mention are regulated. At least known criminals usually are drug tested and so on, it's not perfect but there are rules and ways to reduce harm. In most countries if you have a criminal record you can't get a gun, someone who sells on the dark web can't even do a minimal amount of due diligence.

Of course you can say well screw it I don't like the rules I'm just going to sell it anyway but then really you can't be surprised if the gov. brings the hammer down on you.

I think Ross Ulbricht's sentence is too high, I'm generally not a fan of lifelong imprisonment, but he engaged in lawlessness and crime on a very large scale and that deserves punishment. If people aren't punished for breaking the rules tomorrow someone will break laws that you actually think are valuable.

Re: German police take down 'world's largest darknet marketplace'

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How did you find out it wasn't the original? I didn't realize bitcoin magazine did that. The quotes in the title should be around "world's largest" only (since they're about the inability to fully know what's happening on the dark web)

I just looked in the article and saw what it linked to. I'm not sure I follow your point about the quotes but it's the article's own title and it doesn't appear to be misleading or linkbait, so we can probably just keep it. (From the guidelines: " Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize. ") https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

You're right, my mistake.

Re: German police take down 'world's largest darknet marketplace'

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I'm not sure what HN's policy is on discussion of illegal marketplaces, but I imagine it's no secret that the new #1 is White House Market.

This is what I thought was easily on top originally, I don't buy weed anymore but do enjoy hanging out on /d/opsec and the other places seeing what the vibe is. Mr White is amusingly active on forums, it's so incredibly strange when he replies to you randomly with advice. For someone who works in security there's a massive difference between all the wild uninformed speculation you'll see on the clearnet and actual cy…

What is /d/? A Chan? Some sort of dark net message board?

Re: German police take down 'world's largest darknet marketplace'

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This is what I thought was easily on top originally, I don't buy weed anymore but do enjoy hanging out on /d/opsec and the other places seeing what the vibe is. Mr White is amusingly active on forums, it's so incredibly strange when he replies to you randomly with advice. For someone who works in security there's a massive difference between all the wild uninformed speculation you'll see on the clearnet and actual cy…

What is /d/? A Chan? Some sort of dark net message board?

Dread. Was spawned after all the darknet subreddits were booted. Address here:

https://dark.fail/

Re: German police take down 'world's largest darknet marketplace'

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Check my other reply. I don't think you understand how deanonymization attacks work. It's not by governments "owning nodes." They might sometimes run the exit node, but that's for detecting certain activity, not finding people. Plus, you can restrict what nodes are used. It's not like the public nodes are the only ones that exist.

Thanks, I appreciate it. Clearly I've got gaps in my understanding, any good resources you could point me towards to study up?

I'd check out Wikipedia categories for general pointers. I think it's important to highlight that internet privacy and internet anonymity are two very different things. Also take care on how the word anonymous is used. Some use the word "pseudo-anonymous" which isn't the same thing.

It'd also be helpful to first learn how routing works. Then check out different types of applications(Tor, AnoNet, ZeroNet, etc) and read up on how they implement their networks.

Also read up on how the people who ran the markets got caught (read up articles in addition to Wikipedia).

Be aware Wikipedia shouldn't be used as actual fact. Check the sources. Many editors misinterpret them, or don't even read them at all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Internet_privacy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Anonymity_networks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Routing

Some keywords/concepts that may help:

I2P/Peer-to-peer/Friend-to-friend/

Onion routing

Garlic routing

Digital fingerprinting

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mix_network

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowds_(anonymity_network)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZeroNet

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_P2P

Tails/Whonix/QubeOS for system protection.

Re: German police take down 'world's largest darknet marketplace'

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> given a long enough timeline There's an opportunity. Marketplaces that will exist for X days only.

Unlikely - ever tried to get a gambler on a winning streak to "stop while he's ahead"?

These markets actually already exist. However, the owners are generally just cashing in and screwing everyone over for whatever crypto is currently being held.

Re: German police take down 'world's largest darknet marketplace'

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Thanks, I appreciate it. Clearly I've got gaps in my understanding, any good resources you could point me towards to study up?

I'd check out Wikipedia categories for general pointers. I think it's important to highlight that internet privacy and internet anonymity are two very different things. Also take care on how the word anonymous is used. Some use the word "pseudo-anonymous" which isn't the same thing. It'd also be helpful to first learn how routing works. Then check out different types of applications(Tor, AnoNet, ZeroNet, etc) and rea…

Amazing, thank you.

Re: German police take down 'world's largest darknet marketplace'

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This is what I thought was easily on top originally, I don't buy weed anymore but do enjoy hanging out on /d/opsec and the other places seeing what the vibe is. Mr White is amusingly active on forums, it's so incredibly strange when he replies to you randomly with advice. For someone who works in security there's a massive difference between all the wild uninformed speculation you'll see on the clearnet and actual cy…

What is /d/? A Chan? Some sort of dark net message board?

a darknet forum
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