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Why do people resist the idea that carbs are worse than fat?

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Re: Why do people resist the idea that carbs are worse than fat?

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You just used the words "potato", "noodles", "rice", and "flour" in a distinctly negative tone. Those are some of my favorite foods, preferable doused in butter. And I'm 6'1", 170 lbs.

The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".

Though "carbs are evil" implies that it affects everyone.

Re: Why do people resist the idea that carbs are worse than fat?

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I guess I haven't been paying attention but I thought the Atkins diet from a few years ago had been discounted as an unhealthy fad diet. But now I'm reading that it has been scientifically proven to be the healthiest diet. Is that right? Are carb-filled fruits and vegetables supposed to be less healthy than for example fried bacon?

Wrong. The problem is that people think low-carb equals bacon grease and no vegetables. It really just means little to no bread, grains, rice or potatoes. A low carb diet is predominantly fruits and vegetables, but for some reason, people really like to focus on the meat and fat aspect.

Re: Why do people resist the idea that carbs are worse than fat?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You just used the words "potato", "noodles", "rice", and "flour" in a distinctly negative tone. Those are some of my favorite foods, preferable doused in butter. And I'm 6'1", 170 lbs.

The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".

I agree. I guess I didn't make it clear that I was saying that those foods aren't necessarily bad just because they are carbs. My personal data is irrelevant (and largely due to the fact that my metabolism seems to be on par with a smelting furnace).

Re: Why do people resist the idea that carbs are worse than fat?

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The "fat is evil" thing that happened in the latter half of the 20th century is going to go down as the biggest scientific fuck up ever. The very people who were given all the authority and trust, and who were supposed to protect human life, actively killed people by pushing carbs as healthy and fats as unhealthy. They directly caused spiking obesity, the #1 medical issue in our society. Repeat after me: The biggest…

I was in Brazil in 1995 and one of the Brazilian girls I was eating with mentioned she is not going to eat the pasta / carbs because she is trying to lose weight. I thought she had no idea what she was talking about, what she needed to do was cut out the fat. Turns out I was wrong.

Re: Why do people resist the idea that carbs are worse than fat?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You just used the words "potato", "noodles", "rice", and "flour" in a distinctly negative tone. Those are some of my favorite foods, preferable doused in butter. And I'm 6'1", 170 lbs.

I'm sure he didn't mean to offend you, but those were mentioned because they are pretty rich in carbs. I must say though I haven't heard of anyone eating flour, especially doused in butter, no less ;) Regarding your height/weight: age, physical fitness and genetic disposition are also determinants of that along with your diet. Edit: I'm 29, 6'1" and 180 pounds (I could lose another 10-15 pounds if I got back into mar…

I beg to differ: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roux

Re: Why do people resist the idea that carbs are worse than fat?

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The "fat is evil" thing that happened in the latter half of the 20th century is going to go down as the biggest scientific fuck up ever. The very people who were given all the authority and trust, and who were supposed to protect human life, actively killed people by pushing carbs as healthy and fats as unhealthy. They directly caused spiking obesity, the #1 medical issue in our society. Repeat after me: The biggest…

You can trust them to continue diving into the science of nutrition. The interesting thing about this whole episode is that it serves as a wonderful illustration of the self-correcting nature of the scientific method. Consider what's happened: First, health authorities made observations about diets and various diseases, creating hypotheses along the way. Next, they gathered some data and analyzed it. They drew conclu…

You can trust them to continue working on the research that gets them grant money. Where that grant money comes from tends to have a disproportionate impact on the outcome of the research. This is a problem that must be addressed before science is actually science and not marketing.

Re: Why do people resist the idea that carbs are worse than fat?

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Related to your key #1, this[1] talk by Robert Lustig (who's work has seen some exposure on HN in the past) has a pretty good run-down of how some of the carbohydrates are metabolized. Specifically, he points to fructose as the culprit when it comes to obesity. I recommend watching the whole thing, but skip to about 36:00 to see the biochemistry. [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

Sigh. A good criticism of Lustigs demonizing fructose: http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-ab... Key takeaway that Lustig ignores - USDA numbers by the way: Total energy intake in 1970 averaged 2172 kcal. By 2007 this hiked up to 2775 kcal, a 603 kcal increase.

And Lustig responds to those criticisms here:

http://www.kqed.org/a/forum/R201104211000

Key takeaway is that Lustig doesn't make any claim that you can't get fat by eating too many calories, regardless of the source. Lustig's research is on the metabolic pathways for fructose and glucose, and they are substantially different.

Re: Why do people resist the idea that carbs are worse than fat?

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I've found the fat hypothesis - 'fat makes you fat' - to be false, or at least not to apply to me. I am not exactly anti-carb - I eat potatoes, and a little rice - but I have been eating a diet that I guess you could call 'Paleo 2.0' for the last 7 months or so. The basic goal is to minimize my intake of grains, fructose, and legumes, and maximize that of saturated fats. I also happen to be vegetarian, so for me this…

Fage, butter, cheese, eggs, chocolate. Sounds yummy! Not exactly cheap, though.

I somehow don't think that 'cavemen' were eating cheese. :P

Re: Why do people resist the idea that carbs are worse than fat?

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That's funny. There are many studies showing that vegetarians live longer, more healthy lives than omnivores.

Many vegetables are low in Carbs.

They are the staple of the ketogenic diet, a diet which is high fat and protein and very low carb.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketogenic_diet

Re: Why do people resist the idea that carbs are worse than fat?

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I think there are a number of issues: 1 - People relate fat the nutrient to fat the body type because they share the word "fat". Not much to do there. In high school I was taught that carbohydrates were "energy" and fat was "waste". People should probably be taught the right way our biological systems operate. 2 - Medical authorities have worked with the best science they had available at the time, and are almost alw…

Related to your key #1, this[1] talk by Robert Lustig (who's work has seen some exposure on HN in the past) has a pretty good run-down of how some of the carbohydrates are metabolized. Specifically, he points to fructose as the culprit when it comes to obesity. I recommend watching the whole thing, but skip to about 36:00 to see the biochemistry. [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

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