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Why do people resist the idea that carbs are worse than fat?

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Re: Why do people resist the idea that carbs are worse than fat?

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God I remember when everywhere (even in school) was hooked on the "you are killing your kids with butter, eat margarine" line. Of course, then they banned it most sensible places because of the hydrogenated/trans fats. Shocking that something made by chemical process by companies with large sums of money will be heavily advertised and pushed to people over, say, something that can't be patented by any one body. Simil…

You just used the words "potato", "noodles", "rice", and "flour" in a distinctly negative tone. Those are some of my favorite foods, preferable doused in butter. And I'm 6'1", 170 lbs.

The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".

Re: Why do people resist the idea that carbs are worse than fat?

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God I remember when everywhere (even in school) was hooked on the "you are killing your kids with butter, eat margarine" line. Of course, then they banned it most sensible places because of the hydrogenated/trans fats. Shocking that something made by chemical process by companies with large sums of money will be heavily advertised and pushed to people over, say, something that can't be patented by any one body. Simil…

You just used the words "potato", "noodles", "rice", and "flour" in a distinctly negative tone. Those are some of my favorite foods, preferable doused in butter. And I'm 6'1", 170 lbs.

Fair enough, but, like the article points out, personal experience, or case studies, doesn't count as scientific proof here.

My own experience is that I can eat as much butter (real butter), bacon, olive oil, and other fats as I want and my weight won't change. But as soon as I start to eat bread and potatoes, I can easily gain 10 pounds.

This is a very complex issue. For every single person there are many factors involved, like personal make, hormones, age, genetics, even how your mother ate when you were in the womb.

On the big scale, these studies are trying to find the cause for the obesity (and heart disease) epidemics. The accumulating evidence is pointing to carbs as the culprit.

Re: Why do people resist the idea that carbs are worse than fat?

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God I remember when everywhere (even in school) was hooked on the "you are killing your kids with butter, eat margarine" line. Of course, then they banned it most sensible places because of the hydrogenated/trans fats. Shocking that something made by chemical process by companies with large sums of money will be heavily advertised and pushed to people over, say, something that can't be patented by any one body. Simil…

You just used the words "potato", "noodles", "rice", and "flour" in a distinctly negative tone. Those are some of my favorite foods, preferable doused in butter. And I'm 6'1", 170 lbs.

I'm sure he didn't mean to offend you, but those were mentioned because they are pretty rich in carbs. I must say though I haven't heard of anyone eating flour, especially doused in butter, no less ;)

Regarding your height/weight: age, physical fitness and genetic disposition are also determinants of that along with your diet.

Edit: I'm 29, 6'1" and 180 pounds (I could lose another 10-15 pounds if I got back into marathon-running condition), and I do enjoy eating foods such as pasta on a regular basis.

Re: Why do people resist the idea that carbs are worse than fat?

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The "fat is evil" thing that happened in the latter half of the 20th century is going to go down as the biggest scientific fuck up ever.

The very people who were given all the authority and trust, and who were supposed to protect human life, actively killed people by pushing carbs as healthy and fats as unhealthy.

They directly caused spiking obesity, the #1 medical issue in our society.

Repeat after me: The biggest health issue in our society was directly caused by the health authorities. This means doctors, medical researchers, and governments.

Heart disease, cancer, and obesity are all linked to carbs now. Millions and millions of people have died because they followed the advice of the scientific authorities.

When the general public figures out how wrong the scientific and medical authorities were for SO LONG and SO LOUDLY... public trust in science is going to be maimed for generations.

If you can't trust them on the #1 public health issue - the #1 killer of humans - what can you trust them on?

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The "fat is evil" thing that happened in the latter half of the 20th century is going to go down as the biggest scientific fuck up ever. The very people who were given all the authority and trust, and who were supposed to protect human life, actively killed people by pushing carbs as healthy and fats as unhealthy. They directly caused spiking obesity, the #1 medical issue in our society. Repeat after me: The biggest…

Watch out not to fall for the "Carbs is evil" thing that happens right now. :P

Re: Why do people resist the idea that carbs are worse than fat?

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I think there are a number of issues:

1 - People relate fat the nutrient to fat the body type because they share the word "fat". Not much to do there. In high school I was taught that carbohydrates were "energy" and fat was "waste". People should probably be taught the right way our biological systems operate.

2 - Medical authorities have worked with the best science they had available at the time, and are almost always managed by bureaucrats, not physicians. This isn't limited to the governmental level; hospitals, medical organizations, medical schools... the people in charge often have administrative training, not medical training. As a subpoint; sure, medical authorities have led us astray with nutrition information, but let's not jump to the conclusion that they have done something intentionally evil here.

3 - It's hard to prove any one way is the right way because of so many variables, including genetics, activity level, co-morbidities, and so on. More importantly, when something is right for 95% of people, that also means it is wrong for 5% of people. In the absence of easily testable datum, those anecdotes get a lot of attention. And even if it were easily testable, 5% of the time it would be wrong.

To me, the key is two-fold:

1 - People need to be educated about the facts of how their biological systems function. They need to know how calories work, insulin and blood sugar regulate, and gain a general appreciation of the science of their bodies.

2 - People need to be willing to "listen to their bodies" and experiment. That's the only way to know what really works for you, because you ARE different than everyone else. A healthy diet isn't just about finding mathematically optimal foods, it's about finding stuff you like to eat, that fills you up, that you can eat in moderation, that is easy to make. You need to be willing to mix health and convenience, taste and availability, etc... and that takes a bit of time to figure out.

Re: Why do people resist the idea that carbs are worse than fat?

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I resist the idea that carbs (and HFCS for matter) need to be demonized. The article mentions peoples tendencies, but one tendency the anti-carb crowd relies on is how people want to find a smoking gun or silver bullet solution.

The article doesn't really do much to prove anything since rarely did the elite eat the same thing as the peasants. Throughout history kings and queens usually ate much better than the peasants. This would include more meat, alcohol, spices, sugar, etc...

Re: Why do people resist the idea that carbs are worse than fat?

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Blame the media, they portray fat for the reason people are fat, the do not educate these people with the truth behind complex carbs and simple carbs and how the body responses to these. Some fats are good for you such as olive oils contain mono saturated fats which is great for your body and those can be found naturally in meats. But trans and saturated fats are hard for the body to respond to. It comes down to educating people of what they are eating.

Re: Why do people resist the idea that carbs are worse than fat?

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The "fat is evil" thing that happened in the latter half of the 20th century is going to go down as the biggest scientific fuck up ever. The very people who were given all the authority and trust, and who were supposed to protect human life, actively killed people by pushing carbs as healthy and fats as unhealthy. They directly caused spiking obesity, the #1 medical issue in our society. Repeat after me: The biggest…

I think it's more to do with our idea of a balanced diet being out of kilter. I've met plenty of people who are now replacing carbs with meat, which to me doesn't feel like the right way to go about things. One day perhaps we'll realise for a start that we don't need to eat so many calories in each sitting. Then with any luck we'll realise that vegetables (not potatoes) should form the base of the 'food pyramid'.
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