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Re: We Tested Comma AI's OpenPilot

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I recommend George Hotz's livestream [1] to anybody interested in computer science, really fascinating. [1] : https://www.youtube.com/c/commaaiarchive/videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPQHv3z3MWY

Guess I'm old... cuz that was painful to watch. Reminded me of the juvenile videos that Digg founders released back in their heyday. Sometimes you don't want/need to see behind the curtain!

Re: We Tested Comma AI's OpenPilot

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure where you looked, but https://github.com/commaai/openpilot states it very clearly: "openpilot observes ISO26262 guidelines, see SAFETY.md for more detail."

Yes, but what does "observes" ISO26262 mean? The words I would want to hear before plugging this into my car are, "meets", "complies with with", or "certified to ISO26262."

They run Python codes on the phone, and let a separate microcontroller do car interfacing, in which they do their best to gatekeep the ML output. That “critical” uC part is self certified by them on best effort basis.

And of course that uC unit comes in a 3D printed enclosure so yeah

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I want a device that will not control the car but will give more a ton of real-time information, ideally projected on some corner of my windshield. Information including: 1. Speed limit for the area/road I am in. 2. Real time radar report telling me how many cars/pedestrians e.t.c are around me. 3. Information on common accident types in the area I am driving in. 4. For my corner of the world, it will be good to get…

It’s called a brain. You pay attention and read the speed signs as you enter an area. You use your peripheral vision to watch for pedestrians and traffic. And what would a report on common accidents be for, aside from some interesting statistical anomalies? You should still pay attention and drive safely, regardless of whether or not the area had 4 red light speeding tickets given last month or 8. You’re basically su…

Umm, you first? How is the "use your brain and your eyes" safety strategy working out so far? Are you against ABS too? Shouldn't people just learn to pump their brakes?

Computers assisting but not supplanting people's natural abilities is one of the utopian visions of how to use technology. GP's idea seems brilliant and the only downside is that 2020 has shown that lots of stupid people would proudly boast how they ignore the warnings or pump the statistics in the wrong direction. They would probably get a catchy name for themselves too.

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I want a device that will not control the car but will give more a ton of real-time information, ideally projected on some corner of my windshield. Information including: 1. Speed limit for the area/road I am in. 2. Real time radar report telling me how many cars/pedestrians e.t.c are around me. 3. Information on common accident types in the area I am driving in. 4. For my corner of the world, it will be good to get…

It’s called a brain. You pay attention and read the speed signs as you enter an area. You use your peripheral vision to watch for pedestrians and traffic. And what would a report on common accidents be for, aside from some interesting statistical anomalies? You should still pay attention and drive safely, regardless of whether or not the area had 4 red light speeding tickets given last month or 8. You’re basically su…

> You’re basically suggesting using a smartphone camera to walk around town, when you could just, y’know, use your eyes.

Our brains are kinda specialised to process information at that speed, not at cars speeds.

Having an augmented reality is definitely useful, the same way it's useful for you to have access to maps with realtime location in your phone while walking in the city. Why don't you use your brain and navigate solely through memory? You could still do it, why use a smartphone for navigation? Because it helps.

The same is the case for augmenting information you have, in a car it can be quite useful if you end up missing a sign for the maximum speed (as I've done through Germany in some Autobahn stretches that change speed, most of the times due to construction). The same is the case of giving more spatial awareness through data, who is around you? That is the most basic skill you need as a driver, if there are systems to feed you this data in a quicker and more processable way rather than relying on other people's ability to maintain their attention to be checking their mirrors and keep awareness of their surroundings all the time, so be it. I do it all the time while driving, I don't trust others do the same.

So you know, you could also use that brain a bit more.

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I want a device that will not control the car but will give more a ton of real-time information, ideally projected on some corner of my windshield. Information including: 1. Speed limit for the area/road I am in. 2. Real time radar report telling me how many cars/pedestrians e.t.c are around me. 3. Information on common accident types in the area I am driving in. 4. For my corner of the world, it will be good to get…

It’s called a brain. You pay attention and read the speed signs as you enter an area. You use your peripheral vision to watch for pedestrians and traffic. And what would a report on common accidents be for, aside from some interesting statistical anomalies? You should still pay attention and drive safely, regardless of whether or not the area had 4 red light speeding tickets given last month or 8. You’re basically su…

The same set of brains that caus accidents left and right every minute of the day?

The idea suggested is interesting. Some of it I solve by a regular navigation app. But looking at this screen on my right may not be the ideal experience.

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The most surprising part about this to me is that there seems to be a somewhat standardized computer interface for controlling cars with an external device. I would never have guessed that, I thought for sure every maker would come up with their own unique design and require you to buy adapters or whatnot.

It's mandated by regulation in all cars after..2002? It's a port most often situated close to the steering wheel, the interface is a bog standard CAN bus. Where it differs between cars is what command sets are used and allowed (eg sometimes proprietary ones are used, and controlling things may not be possible). It's common to extract diagnostics about the car from this port. For example, when buying a used car this i…

It is mandated by law that cars have an OBDII port that supply diagnostic data over CAN interface for emissions testing.

It is not, however, required that said CAN bus is used for anything other than for passing emission tests. Easiest way to implement that feature is by exposing main CAN bus on that port, but you don’t have to.

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#57

I want a device that will not control the car but will give more a ton of real-time information, ideally projected on some corner of my windshield. Information including: 1. Speed limit for the area/road I am in. 2. Real time radar report telling me how many cars/pedestrians e.t.c are around me. 3. Information on common accident types in the area I am driving in. 4. For my corner of the world, it will be good to get…

> 1. Speed limit for the area/road I am in.

That one already exists, many manufacturers already provide 'intelligent speed' systems, which combine gps and traffic sign recognition camera info to determine the current speed limit in that stretch of road and display it on your dashboard.

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Very nicely executed device with a good price point. Of course it's an utter nightmare with regards to privacy and I'd be very nervous regarding security and safety when I'd hand over the controls of my car to basically an android phone. Maybe I skimmed over it but I'd be interested in knowing which phones they use exactly. So I applaud the engineering but it's not a device I'd buy (and yes I do own and carry around…

I'm much less worried about privacy with an open-source solution. At least I can inspect the various ways in which they spy on me, and if I'm super extra motivated I could stop that. Tesla, on the other hand, is the real nightmare. Can I even buy a new car in the U.S. these days that isn't a rolling Orwellian nightmare?

Honda's cars (which are compatible with OpenPilot) don't connect to the internet unless you really want software updates, and those can be transferred via USB easily (or you can just not update it, since it's a car).

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#59

I want a device that will not control the car but will give more a ton of real-time information, ideally projected on some corner of my windshield. Information including: 1. Speed limit for the area/road I am in. 2. Real time radar report telling me how many cars/pedestrians e.t.c are around me. 3. Information on common accident types in the area I am driving in. 4. For my corner of the world, it will be good to get…

> 1. Speed limit for the area/road I am in. That one already exists, many manufacturers already provide 'intelligent speed' systems, which combine gps and traffic sign recognition camera info to determine the current speed limit in that stretch of road and display it on your dashboard.

Most satnavs have it already.

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#60

I can see this influencing my next vehicle purchase. For those who are familiar with the project - what is the security situation like?

I run mine completely offline, it doesn't require an internet connection except every few months. This check can be disabled pretty easily.
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