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Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by zmmmmm » Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 1:20 AM UTC

localhost wrote: post #20

Unlike some other commenters below, I don't believe that this is a privacy issue. Instead, I believe that it is a national security issue because TikTok is controllable by the CCP which is ideologically opposed to the United States. The next global conflict will likely be one between the east and the west, with control of information being advantageous to both sides in the conflict. China already blocks the western I…

> Instead, I believe that it is a national security issue

Are you uncomfortable adopting that belief with literally no concrete evidence that anything of the sort is actually occurring?

I don't know how you reconcile rule of law with such drastic interventions in the rights of companies without evidence of wrongdoing. If anything you can come up with in your most paranoid fantasies can be the basis of shutting down a company, pretty much anything can be done to anyone on the basis of anything, no?

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by mullingitover » Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 1:20 AM UTC

ausjke wrote: post #32

It's a national security issue. Plus, if you sue the government order from any courts in CA, you will win anyways these days. CA is too liberal to remain in US, I remember they were saying CA-Independence from USA after 2016, I can't wait to support it, but those people somehow did not proceed, very disappointed.

> CA is too liberal to remain in US

The problem with this is that if the liberal states are allowed out of the union, the conservative states will run out of other people's money to spend.

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by TheCuckedKing » Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 1:20 AM UTC

mike503 wrote: post #34

schoolornot wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What exactly is the national security risk with TikTok?

They’ll know all the social media patterns and likes of 14 year olds!

Our pathetic ignorance is the reason the party that you and I will vote for will never win in America again in our lifetimes. We are cuck.

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by sheeshkebab » Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 1:22 AM UTC

mike503 wrote: post #34

schoolornot wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What exactly is the national security risk with TikTok?

They’ll know all the social media patterns and likes of 14 year olds!

An incident in 2020 where TikTok users apparently tanked some Trump campaign rally probably is a bit more practical preview what controlling recommendations and likes could let CCP do (eventually... if they were not involved this time around) https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/21/style/tiktok-trump-rally-...

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by crumbshot » Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 1:22 AM UTC

schoolornot wrote: post #30

localhost wrote: post #20

Unlike some other commenters below, I don't believe that this is a privacy issue. Instead, I believe that it is a national security issue because TikTok is controllable by the CCP which is ideologically opposed to the United States. The next global conflict will likely be one between the east and the west, with control of information being advantageous to both sides in the conflict. China already blocks the western I…

What exactly is the national security risk with TikTok?

I reckon it was probably just this: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/21/style/tiktok-trump-rally-...

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by guywhocodes » Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 1:23 AM UTC

UncleMeat wrote: post #46

libraryatnight wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Propaganda. You don't have to bother making troll farm accounts to spread misinformation and sow doubt when you control the platform and can create and drip content you want into peoples feeds, and you know what they like, you're already serving them an addictive stream of content based on their behaviors.

What makes TikTok different than literally any other website in this manner?

None really, the next Chinese successful "social media" platform will face the same treatment

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by dirtyid » Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 1:23 AM UTC

Politics aside, it's crazy Facebook / Instagram / Youtube haven't successfully cloned TikTok yet. No doubt network affect plays a role, but from what I've read, western clones have been very lacking. Maybe US is just not competitive when it comes to quickly copying and iterating designs like China is. It's a skill. Google Meet apart from great transcription feature still feels miles behind Zoom. Wonder how Indian developers are doing after the ban. JioMeet is pretty much a 1:1 Zoom clone, anyone comment on what replaced TikTok?

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by mtrpcic » Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 1:23 AM UTC

UncleMeat wrote: post #46

libraryatnight wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Propaganda. You don't have to bother making troll farm accounts to spread misinformation and sow doubt when you control the platform and can create and drip content you want into peoples feeds, and you know what they like, you're already serving them an addictive stream of content based on their behaviors.

What makes TikTok different than literally any other website in this manner?

...being controlled by the CCP is what makes it different. All of these sites/apps have the ability to shove propaganda in the faces of millions of people, only one of them is run by a government.

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by oh_sigh » Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 1:23 AM UTC

zmmmmm wrote: post #51

localhost wrote: post #20

Unlike some other commenters below, I don't believe that this is a privacy issue. Instead, I believe that it is a national security issue because TikTok is controllable by the CCP which is ideologically opposed to the United States. The next global conflict will likely be one between the east and the west, with control of information being advantageous to both sides in the conflict. China already blocks the western I…

> Instead, I believe that it is a national security issue Are you uncomfortable adopting that belief with literally no concrete evidence that anything of the sort is actually occurring? I don't know how you reconcile rule of law with such drastic interventions in the rights of companies without evidence of wrongdoing. If anything you can come up with in your most paranoid fantasies can be the basis of shutting down a…

National security is generally best when it is proactive, not reactive.

If you think the CCP having this data could be a problem, you can't wait until they collect it all and use it in order to stop them.

There is a reason laws like GDPR prevent even the mere collection of data, and don't wait until Google does something wrong with the data in order to stop them.

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by belltaco » Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 1:24 AM UTC

ausjke wrote: post #32

It's a national security issue. Plus, if you sue the government order from any courts in CA, you will win anyways these days. CA is too liberal to remain in US, I remember they were saying CA-Independence from USA after 2016, I can't wait to support it, but those people somehow did not proceed, very disappointed.

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