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Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by sigotirandolas »

LurkersWillLurk wrote: post #4

We need to push back on this nonsense in journalism in which journalists don't include a link to the opinion when writing an article describing that opinion. There is not enough information included in the article to meaningfully comment on the situation. Edit: here is the order, which is very short: https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.222257/... The opinion is under seal, and the parties have been d…

Amen. It's very frustrating when you're skeptical of a news item and it's essentially impossible to find the original source as it is not linked and apparently impossible to find with the information given. It doesn't stop the item from trending on social media if it sounds good though.

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by ausjke »

It's a national security issue.

Plus, if you sue the government order from any courts in CA, you will win anyways these days.

CA is too liberal to remain in US, I remember they were saying CA-Independence from USA after 2016, I can't wait to support it, but those people somehow did not proceed, very disappointed.

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by kabacha »

tootie wrote: post #24
Firebrand wrote: post #5

I get the feeling the Trump Administration’s lawyers are going to fumble the full ban lawsuit in November allowing Bytedance to retain control of TikTok. If this were an actual national security issue then you’d think they’d come up with more compelling reasons to remove it from the App Store.

There's a valid concern but the administration's approach is heavy-handed and impractical. They seem intent on simply stealing a successful company from China and letting american companies earn the rewards and maybe get a kickback in the process. They should use either their national security powers or, better yet, an act of Congress to ban the specific objectionable activities and let the markets sort themselves ou…

I'm sure it's not a coincidence that one of the biggest western social media apps - Instagram - launched a direct clone of tiktok. So far IG reels are dead but if TikTok gets banned there's an undeniable benefit for IG, right?

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by mike503 »

schoolornot wrote: post #30
localhost wrote: post #20

Unlike some other commenters below, I don't believe that this is a privacy issue. Instead, I believe that it is a national security issue because TikTok is controllable by the CCP which is ideologically opposed to the United States. The next global conflict will likely be one between the east and the west, with control of information being advantageous to both sides in the conflict. China already blocks the western I…

What exactly is the national security risk with TikTok?

They’ll know all the social media patterns and likes of 14 year olds!

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by tatrajim »

nkozyra wrote: post #13
tatrajim wrote: post #9

Nice to know that Apple was given equal legal consideration in China in 2016 when its iBooks store and iTunes movie store were suddenly ordered shut after six months of operation. Oh, wait. . . they weren't given any legal recourse at all and the Obama administration did nothing about it while Silicon Valley grandees kept conspicuously silent. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/22/technology/apple-no-longe...

I don't see how those are analogous. Shouldn't you be complaining that a Chinese court didn't temporarily block the Apple ban?

Precisely. There is no legal remedy in China for cases such as Apple's, a situation that the Hacker News et al. communities blandly accept in silence while valorizing attempts by ByteDance and WeChat to game the US system for profitable access.

Why the Western world accepts as legitimate the products of a closed society that relies on ubiquitous censorship and withholds free access to the outside world through a national firewall is hard for me to fathom. I have lived in China, South Korea, and Taiwan off and on for decades and believe the people of PRC deserve better.

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by slimsag »

schoolornot wrote: post #30
localhost wrote: post #20

Unlike some other commenters below, I don't believe that this is a privacy issue. Instead, I believe that it is a national security issue because TikTok is controllable by the CCP which is ideologically opposed to the United States. The next global conflict will likely be one between the east and the west, with control of information being advantageous to both sides in the conflict. China already blocks the western I…

What exactly is the national security risk with TikTok?

Information warfare - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_warfare#Books

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by AmericanChopper »

ikerdanzel wrote: post #12
Barrin92 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that'd probably kill every American social media app on the app stores as well, not sure they're ready to do that.

Nope. Only specific instances. And in this case POTUS has the power when it comes to foreign entities. It is enshrined in the constitutions. By the way, India and China are even doing this without even a single judicial recourse. USA simply is the best country that has been setup to allow and disallow this kind of things some hundreds years ago.

The powers that POTUS has over international trade (including tariffs, blocking imports, blocking transactions) were actually granted by Congress through various pieces of legislation.

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by jtdev »

schoolornot wrote: post #30
localhost wrote: post #20

Unlike some other commenters below, I don't believe that this is a privacy issue. Instead, I believe that it is a national security issue because TikTok is controllable by the CCP which is ideologically opposed to the United States. The next global conflict will likely be one between the east and the west, with control of information being advantageous to both sides in the conflict. China already blocks the western I…

What exactly is the national security risk with TikTok?

Mass behavioral data exfiltration... mass biometric data exfiltration (faces)... censorship of those critical of CCP within the U.S... psychological persuasion of the masses... etc., etc.

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by bravo22 »

mike503 wrote: post #34
schoolornot wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What exactly is the national security risk with TikTok?

They’ll know all the social media patterns and likes of 14 year olds!

Or they can push narratives and stories to manipulate their audience? If the main search engine in a country was controlled by a foreign entity that would be cause for concern.

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by triceratops »

mike503 wrote: post #34
schoolornot wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What exactly is the national security risk with TikTok?

They’ll know all the social media patterns and likes of 14 year olds!

14 year olds grow up eventually and occupy important positions in society - judges, lawmakers, businesspeople and the like.
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