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Germany will violate international agreements with Unitary Patent, says FFII

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Re: Germany will violate international agreements with Unitary Patent, says FFII

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Post by kzrdude »

chki wrote: post #23
kzrdude wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The enthusiasts need to temper their dreams and expectations - EU is doing fine, and doesn't need to always become more powerful or more integrated. Especially not now, when citizens don't want it.

>Especially not now, when citizens don't want it. Citation needed. While there is some anti-European sentiment in all member states those are almost always in the minority. There are a lot of people who want more integration.

One can be pro-EU and still believe in a scaled back union. To say something even more inside the context of my post that you replied to - let's posit 70% are happy with EU now. Does that mean that EU should integrate more? Not necessarily - they might not be so happy after that change.

Re: Germany will violate international agreements with Unitary Patent, says FFII

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Post by raxxorrax »

chki wrote: post #23
kzrdude wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The enthusiasts need to temper their dreams and expectations - EU is doing fine, and doesn't need to always become more powerful or more integrated. Especially not now, when citizens don't want it.

>Especially not now, when citizens don't want it. Citation needed. While there is some anti-European sentiment in all member states those are almost always in the minority. There are a lot of people who want more integration.

Not enough to put it to a vote in most countries and it highly depends on the question.

That there should be internal talks about foreign policies is pretty much accepted, also having common environmental policies.

If you suggest a common welfare program, you will quickly find closed doors.

Honestly, I think the support in general is higher with people not interested in politics, aside from the enthusiasts that already dream of a republic.

Speaking of which, why call it the European Union when we could have called it the European Empire. Some things are so obvious...

Re: Germany will violate international agreements with Unitary Patent, says FFII

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Post by bkor »

dataflow wrote: post #43
kzrdude wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The enthusiasts need to temper their dreams and expectations - EU is doing fine, and doesn't need to always become more powerful or more integrated. Especially not now, when citizens don't want it.

> EU is doing fine If it is, why isn't it cracking down more seriously on, say, GDPR violations already? Is giving companies multiple years to adjust still not enough? Or does a serious enforcement of its laws not fall under the umbrella of doing fine (nor sure if pun intended)?

One does not follow the other. EU can be doing badly while GDPR is fine, GDPR can be crap while EU is doing fine, etc

GDPR violations are handled per country btw. Further, GDPR is a regulation which EU member countries turned into law.

Re: Germany will violate international agreements with Unitary Patent, says FFII

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Post by KingOfCoders »

ctas wrote: post #38
raxxorrax wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With von der Leyen being president, I am pretty sure we make the wrong decision. Yes, some Europeans might think she looks sympathetic, especially those that don't know her well because of language barriers. That she is on the position is testament to the democratic dysfunction of the Union. Officially she is in a conservative party, which eastern European countries liked very much. If we want to take democracy serio…

I don't consider her being in the conservative party the actual problem. In Germany she's well known for nepotism and corruptness, even if until this day she successfully evaded the punishment. Not long ago there's been a claim that her phone contains important evidence in support of the accusation, but it turned out that data on the phone had been "accidentally" wiped.

"In Germany she's well known for nepotism"

As a German this is not "well known" to me, do you have a source?

Until now I thought one Accenture manager was the godfather of a child of a deparment manager in the ministry of defence and Accenture got an consulting gig? I didn't know until now she was giving jobs to her relatives.

Re: Germany will violate international agreements with Unitary Patent, says FFII

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Post by bkor »

mantas wrote: post #41
rbecker wrote: post #30

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Of all the things the EU does, unified international policy makes the most sense to me - only way to avoid getting picked off one by one. It's the attempt at unifying countries internal policies that I don't see the point of.

It would make sense, but different countries have way too different historical experience, cultural ties and business interests. Hottest examples - Russia/Belarus/Ukraine, Greece/Turkey, Nordstream, the whole migrants-in-Mediteranean thing and so on.

Differences in culture are addressed by endless amount talking, compromises, etc. Previously Europe often resorted to war. I highly prefer the current attempt at trying to keep peace.

Promoting peace is listed as a goal on https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/eu-in-brief_en

Re: Germany will violate international agreements with Unitary Patent, says FFII

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Post by lumost »

skocznymroczny wrote: post #25
raxxorrax wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With von der Leyen being president, I am pretty sure we make the wrong decision. Yes, some Europeans might think she looks sympathetic, especially those that don't know her well because of language barriers. That she is on the position is testament to the democratic dysfunction of the Union. Officially she is in a conservative party, which eastern European countries liked very much. If we want to take democracy serio…

Conservative doesn't really mean much anymore on its own. CDU might be considered conservative by Western European standards, but it's liberal by Eastern European standards.

Are there any major pan-european parties? (that are taken seriously)

Re: Germany will violate international agreements with Unitary Patent, says FFII

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Post by trumpeta »

ginko wrote: post #15
raxxorrax wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With von der Leyen being president, I am pretty sure we make the wrong decision. Yes, some Europeans might think she looks sympathetic, especially those that don't know her well because of language barriers. That she is on the position is testament to the democratic dysfunction of the Union. Officially she is in a conservative party, which eastern European countries liked very much. If we want to take democracy serio…

>Yes, some Europeans might think she looks sympathetic Are we talking about the same Ursula von der Leyen?

I found her sympathetic based on her statements about protection of democratic values in Poland and standing up for oppressed minorities in Asia. I haven't yet seen her bad side I guess.

Re: Germany will violate international agreements with Unitary Patent, says FFII

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Post by mehrdadn »

yorwba wrote: post #49
dataflow wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> EU is doing fine If it is, why isn't it cracking down more seriously on, say, GDPR violations already? Is giving companies multiple years to adjust still not enough? Or does a serious enforcement of its laws not fall under the umbrella of doing fine (nor sure if pun intended)?

https://www.enforcementtracker.com/ Order by fine, descending.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/02/data-p...

Re: Germany will violate international agreements with Unitary Patent, says FFII

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Post by mschuster91 »

skocznymroczny wrote: post #25
raxxorrax wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With von der Leyen being president, I am pretty sure we make the wrong decision. Yes, some Europeans might think she looks sympathetic, especially those that don't know her well because of language barriers. That she is on the position is testament to the democratic dysfunction of the Union. Officially she is in a conservative party, which eastern European countries liked very much. If we want to take democracy serio…

Conservative doesn't really mean much anymore on its own. CDU might be considered conservative by Western European standards, but it's liberal by Eastern European standards.

> CDU might be considered conservative by Western European standards, but it's liberal by Eastern European standards.

Which is mostly a result of Eastern European countries turning outright fascist (Hungary) or religious-authoritarian (Poland), it's a classic game of shifting goalposts.

CDU also was modernized by Merkel after the right-wing conservatives got booted off/sidetracked in the early '00s following a massive donation / tax scandal ("Schreiber-Spendenaffäre") and so the CDU still enjoyed wide popularity as a result, while the Eastern European conservatives never had that push.

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