Trump: 'A lot of people' think Edward Snowden 'not being treated fairly'

Post by p7hwfizeONj » Fri, Aug 14, 2020, 4:20 PM UTC

sharkmerry wrote: post #48

p7hwfizeONj wrote: post #39

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EFF, who I do follow, has not criticized the withdraw. I don't know enough about Bernie or Clinton to know where they stand on the issue. Clinton's de-endorsement was probably not genuine so I'd bet she has criticisms of the withdraw. My main point is that an issue that was popular on the left (enough for Clinton to flip-flop on) seems to now be mostly the voices of the left criticizing the withdraw. There might be s…

Changing your mind or evolving your opinion is just "flip-flopping"?

Post by mc32 » Fri, Aug 14, 2020, 4:23 PM UTC

ntsplnkv2 wrote: post #49

mc32 wrote: post #14

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If that were to happen I can imagine at least some people who were for his pardon in ‘14 would denounce the pardon if it came to be.

Trump should pardon Snowden because it's the right thing to do. He should also not be undercutting the post office, assassinating Iranian generals, enforcing tariffs on allies like Canada and Europe. Pardoning Snowden is a meaningless gesture, it does nothing to stop the military industrial complex and the intelligence apparatus that he supports

Post by quicklime » Fri, Aug 14, 2020, 4:27 PM UTC

sjansen wrote: post #37

bovermyer wrote: post #16

That sounds suspiciously like he's considering pardoning Snowden. Also... going from calling for Snowden's execution to potentially pardoning him is one hell of a 180.

I think Snowden is a hero. Sadly, this feels more like Trump’s perverse “everything Obama did was bad so I’ll do the opposite” logic, instead of acknowledging that Edward Snowden made a difficult choice to protect our republic.

Post by ntsplnkv2 » Fri, Aug 14, 2020, 4:29 PM UTC

mc32 wrote: post #54

ntsplnkv2 wrote: post #49

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Trump should pardon Snowden because it's the right thing to do. He should also not be undercutting the post office, assassinating Iranian generals, enforcing tariffs on allies like Canada and Europe. Pardoning Snowden is a meaningless gesture, it does nothing to stop the military industrial complex and the intelligence apparatus that he supports

The only one I disagree with is cutting funding to USPS. Europe and Canada (nor anyone not specially exempted) should not enjoy advantage in trade. People were beside themselves over rumors of Russian snipers, this guy was directly responsible for troop deaths and much more instability in the ME. We’ve just seen peace agreements begin to bear fruit in the ME —would that have been possible with that guy stirring up ho…

Post by dencodev » Fri, Aug 14, 2020, 4:30 PM UTC

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I would love him to do so. We really need another wake up call in this country that the government routinely lies to us and that trusting our officials requires them proving they can be trusted. Remember, Snowden has been out of this country since May of 2013 and the last Administration did not pardon him but instead did pardon Manning whose actions were more reckless. It really comes down to the fact Snowden really…

Manning stood to face her her crimes like a long line of revered civil disobedients before her. Snowden ran away into the arms of a hostile foreign power. That has just as much to do with pissing off the government as what either of them revealed.