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Trump: 'A lot of people' think Edward Snowden 'not being treated fairly'

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Re: Trump: 'A lot of people' think Edward Snowden 'not being treated fairly'

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Post by jhawk28 »

squarefoot wrote: post #22
Barrin92 wrote: post #2

>In a 2013 tweet, Trump wrote: “Snowden is a spy who should be executed-but if it and he could reveal Obama’s records, I might become a major fan.” good god, that's one of the most Trumpish Trump tweets ever.

He's the same guy who endorsed the use of hydroxychloroquine as Covid-19 treatment by falsely claiming that it was safe and the FDA had approved it, and at least one person died after following his advice, so no surprise at all. He says what at the moment brings more approval without any care of the consequences. https://www.forbes.com/sites/tarahaelle/2020/03/23/man-dead-... ps. to 45' fanboys: a nice side effect of…

I don't think drinking fish tank cleaner constitutes following his advice.

Re: Trump: 'A lot of people' think Edward Snowden 'not being treated fairly'

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Post by p7hwfizeONj »

mc32 wrote: post #14
nabla9 wrote: post #12

... Now, THEREFORE, I, DONALD JOHN TRUMP , President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Edward Joseph Snowden for all offenses against the United States which he, Edward Joseph Snowden, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period…

If that were to happen I can imagine at least some people who were for his pardon in ‘14 would denounce the pardon if it came to be.

We definitely saw that with TPP. It was something the EFF, Bernie, and Clinton (tepidly) were against. The withdraw is used to bludgeon the administration for not creating a counter trade force to China.

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Post by protomyth »

mrfusion wrote: post #24

Why now?

Well, if you start to think that there is something seriously wrong with State and the CIA, and they hate Snowden then you might want to consider that maybe you should look at the whole thing differently. Plus, he has some Republicans telling him to pardon Snowden.

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Post by happytoexplain »

p7hwfizeONj wrote: post #33
mc32 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that were to happen I can imagine at least some people who were for his pardon in ‘14 would denounce the pardon if it came to be.

We definitely saw that with TPP. It was something the EFF, Bernie, and Clinton (tepidly) were against. The withdraw is used to bludgeon the administration for not creating a counter trade force to China.

Did the EFF, Bernie, or Clinton criticize Trump for withdrawing, and was the criticism only for the withdrawal, or for how it was handled? (Honest questions - I'm not familiar).

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Post by HumblyTossed »

Trump is about to catch a lot of heat for messing with the USPS. This is him trying to put out something controversial so that the lame media will bite on that instead.

Also, Trump projects. Like, a lot. So I wonder if this might be telling in that respect as well.

Edit: I'm going to double down. Trump is setting things up so that he can say the election is corrupt due to China and our spy agencies are not to be believed when they say "nope", thus tying up the election in courts as long as possible. I think he believes that come Jan 20, if no President is officially declared, that he'll just stay President. Or at least he and Barr believe they can challenge that.

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Post by sjansen »

bovermyer wrote: post #16

That sounds suspiciously like he's considering pardoning Snowden. Also... going from calling for Snowden's execution to potentially pardoning him is one hell of a 180.

I think Snowden is a hero.

Sadly, this feels more like Trump’s perverse “everything Obama did was bad so I’ll do the opposite” logic, instead of acknowledging that Edward Snowden made a difficult choice to protect our republic.

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Post by p7hwfizeONj »

happytoexplain wrote: post #35
p7hwfizeONj wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We definitely saw that with TPP. It was something the EFF, Bernie, and Clinton (tepidly) were against. The withdraw is used to bludgeon the administration for not creating a counter trade force to China.

Did the EFF, Bernie, or Clinton criticize Trump for withdrawing, and was the criticism only for the withdrawal, or for how it was handled? (Honest questions - I'm not familiar).

EFF, who I do follow, has not criticized the withdraw.

I don't know enough about Bernie or Clinton to know where they stand on the issue. Clinton's de-endorsement was probably not genuine so I'd bet she has criticisms of the withdraw.

My main point is that an issue that was popular on the left (enough for Clinton to flip-flop on) seems to now be mostly the voices of the left criticizing the withdraw.

There might be some bias there because people who did support withdraw might be less incentivized to vocalize support for policy that landed in their favor.

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